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‘Spose we ‘need’ a GE2019 thread

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  • Started 4 years ago by chdot
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  1. LaidBack
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    It's significant that Scottish Labour have reacted to the SNP by recognising that 'things are not the same' in Scotland and 'something has to be done'.
    Federalism is one long running theme with them - pretty sure that public do like actual policies being created in Edinburgh and were promised more of the same (the Vow).
    Around 20% might want Holyrood abolished although the Tories happily (?) take part in devolution now it's here.
    Scottish Labour are also united with Greens, SNP and LibDems now on wanting to stay in EU (just announced in last day or two).
    This means that Scottish Labour reflect majority opinion here but are out of step with UK Labour. They also oppose WMD too I think although Ian Murray thinks nukes are useful. (A late respected general said they were a complete waste of money).

    Scottish Labour are tougher on Scottish electorate than Jeremy Corbyn on Indyref2. They will say no loudly unless there is a further democratic demand post 2021. (Berxitory party says they'll effectively ignore all votes from here on opinions that don't match UK majority opinion in England. Nice.)

    I think they hope Indy will go away and the last dismal 3 years of non engagement with 'up here' forgotten. Media too hope it's a passing fad and have tried to ignore. One bright hope they have is that trial of a former FM could derail things.

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  2. neddie
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    “We’re the only ones you can trust” says party pretending to be a labour website

    https://www.labourmanifesto.co.uk

    https://twitter.com/edd1e_h/status/1198270630807912448

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  3. wingpig
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    I should have asked 'can you shut the gate properly on your way out so that dogs don't get in?'

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  4. unhurt
    Member

    So bored of the Krankie thing. "I disagree with this female politician. What is the most important thing about a woman I dislike? Ah yes - how she looks. I shall be sure and attack that, as it's so pertinent to the issues at hand. This definitely makes me look like a thoughtful political commentator and not a sexist no-mark."

    (This also applies to women making these remarks. But the trend is male dominated.)

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  5. sallyhinch
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    They do realise, don't they, that Jimmy Krankie is played by a woman? As personal insults go, 'middle-aged woman looks like another middle-aged woman' just really doesn't cut through in this day and age ...

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  6. chdot
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  7. Baldcyclist
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    The Krankie thing has been a common term of endearment up here for years too.

    Don't know what all the fuss is about, no-one complained about Milliband being referred to as Wallace.

    I'm watching the debate on catch up just now, I think I've become a Labour voter for the first time in 30 years.

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  8. gkgk
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    Are you fellows sure this is a term of endearment? Is it used in a positive context, or by her friends and political allies too?

    I thought the Milliband/Wallace thing was pretty dreadful. I imagine that's a fairly common view.

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  9. wingpig
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    @baldcyclist It's the diminuation and linkage to an exaggerated/joke character to reduce seriousness. Just because you've not heard of something it doesn't mean it didn't happen; I think that was mentioned last time you did this sort of thing.

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  10. Baldcyclist
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    Ok, we'll just stick to derogatory comparisons about Boris. I quite liked the Gruffalo one I saw somewhere by one of the political cartoonists.

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  11. LaidBack
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    @wingpig et al - The K term is intended to rile and upset supporters of the FM but has little effect. It is same thing as using the term 'pretendy parliament' about Holyrood (Which seems to have delivered part of the Labour manifesto already).

    Suspect many here will vote for all the 'right' parties and reasons and be very despondent when England decides it's bored with politics and just puts BJ back in office as a reward for his 'presidential' performance. Some seem to crave authority delivered from an Etonian. People like NS and JC are too willing to engage with the public and actually know detailed mundane stuff. The fact they may arrive at a cross party agreement is treated as weakness, helped by the media of course.
    The real story should be the potential election of a progressive Labour / SNP / Green alliance government willing to put right years of Berxitory mis-rule. (Bedroom tax. Universal credit, WASPI, imigration blunders, cost over-runs on London infra, lack of a green policy... )
    Any media outlets willing to see that as a positive?

    Green issues getting debated this week on TV.

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  12. chdot
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  13. chdot
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    At the time of writing, more than 670,000 people under 34 registered to vote in the previous seven days.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/24/first-time-voters-hold-key-in-56-marginals-analysis-intergenerational-foundation

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  14. HankChief
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    I posted a tweet with the extract on cycling from the T@*y manifesto to save you the bother of looking it up.

    https://twitter.com/hank_chief/status/1198680602305847297?s=19

    Some positive noises so I've asked our cllrs/potential MPs whab it means for Edinburgh...

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  15. LaidBack
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    @HankChief - good idea, look forward to their response. Nothing last time I looked.

    Front page from Guardian
    https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1198722783599038464?s=19

    £2.9bn promised by Tories versus £83bn by Labour.

    In other news...
    - BBC may have edited out laughter at PM talking about honesty in QT election special
    - FM adds the removal of Trident as extra element if SNP were to support Labour.
    - SSE / Hydro have moved some business to Switzerland in an action to avoid total public ownership.

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  16. steveo
    Member

    - SSE / Hydro have moved some business to Switzerland in an action to avoid total public ownership.

    Sse have just merged with eon I'm sure there is all sorts of rearrangements going on I sincerely doubt* they're anything like organised enough to respond to the possibility of a Labour government wasting money on an industrial scale.

    *analyst for one of the big suppliers, one of a hundred required to change a light bulb.

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  17. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "possibility of a Labour government wasting money on an industrial scale"

    This is the problem we have. Vote for the incumbent idiot, or this idiot.

    I suspect even if Labour got into to power most of this stuff would never see the light of day, *but we would get another EU referendum*, which seems to be the fairest way of solving the current mess.

    Of course in reality this election is about *how much* the Tories win by. Less than 315, and there's a sporting chance of more of the same frustrating parliament to hopefully getting another ref that way.

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  18. chdot
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    A lot depends on how much people (want to) believe 3 word slogans -

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/25/get-brexit-done-reality-far-more-difficult-tortuous-european-union

    Speculation of course -

    The two sides want to agree future fishing quotas by 1 July 2020. The French president, Emmanuel Macron, once described fisheries as “a lever” in the future negotiations – a sign of how seriously EU governments treat this small, but politically-sensitive industry. EU diplomats do not exclude that a fisheries deal may be a quid pro quo for extending the transition. “Given how France acts now, it’s very likely that they will be a difficult partner,” another senior diplomat told the Guardian.

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  19. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I made the mistake of watching the four-way Question Time thing. The current and likely next prime minister appeared to be badly hungover. Or something. Disordered.

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  20. chdot
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  21. LaidBack
    Member

    Scot Green manifesto launched today.
    Environment will be debated on a Channel 4 News special this Thursday.
    The fact it's still considered a specialist subject shows how far short media is from understanding it.

    https://twitter.com/BBCScotlandNews/status/1199009268411895808?s=20

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  22. chdot
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  23. neddie
    Member

    Environment will be debated on a Channel 4 News special this Thursday.
    The fact it's still considered a specialist subject shows how far short media is from understanding it.

    Climate change was the first and main article on the BBC News at Ten last night, so some progress is being made...

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  24. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The increasing concentration of CO<sub>2</sub> in the atmosphere is a serious threat to a 'market' economy based on 'growth'. It makes the whole basis of political discourse in the West a nonsense. Whole careers in economics are undone if fossil fuels can't be burnt and the waste dumped into the atmosphere without cost.

    I'd say that some clever people have spotted this and are trying to arrange a society where 'we' have little access to fossil fuels but a wealthy elite and their armed forces have as much as they want. Neo-feudalism here we come!

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  25. unhurt
    Member

    See recent media focus on plastic straws and medical inhalers: why address the need for endless growth and fossil fuel extraction at scale when you can ignore systemic inequalities and scapegoat people with disabilities & chronic medical conditions that require them, at present, to make use of single use plastics.

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  26. LaidBack
    Member

    Some newsagents thought this too direct and had to hide under the unsold copies of Daily Mail.
    https://twitter.com/ScotNational/status/1199446983972442118?s=19
    Not a pretty front page. I hear now that BJ has not decided whether climate is an issue he wishes to debate. He hid from people of Scotland yesterday but then he does that in England too.
    He is also rumoured to be avoiding old chum Andrew Neil.

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  27. chdot
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  28. mgj
    Member

    All depends upon whether the pollsters have taken into account the huge upsurge in voting registration late in the campaign. Presumably they had been marked down as 'unlikely to vote' so discarded from projections, but given the state of the polls, why would anyone be registering to add on to a Tory landslide, implying that the polls may be much tighter than indicated.

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  29. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "Tory and labour spending plans not credible":

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50585818

    Bears and woods and stuff. Lib Dem plans "more prudent". Greens not mentioned, but they can use whatever imaginary money tree that they want because they'll never have to worry about fulfiling it (they are useful advocates).

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  30. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Sky forced to cancel leaders debate after Corbyn refuses to sign up.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/11/27/jeremy-corbyn-dodges-tv-debates-disastrous-bbc-interview/

    The Andrew Neil interview was a car crash, as was Sturgeons.

    Barry Gardener was much better on Andrew Neil last night, gave as good as he got, and got his points across well.

    Maybe Corbyn should just send a proxy if he's not up to it.

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