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Today's rubbish being a human
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Posted 3 years ago #
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Thought about putting this in "Today's rubbish unwarranted comments and why"... You can judge whether or not the 'rubbish' is me or the other guy.
Cycling back from Decathlon with micro-SRD. Overtook a tall male jogger moving at a good pace, very much centre of the towpath.
A few hundred metres later, got to aqueduct.
Dismounted started pushing across. got about half-way across, two other cyclists coming towards us, pushing.
We stop, hug railings as they get to a little over a bike length from us.
Then, as they start to come past us, jogger dude sprints past us into the gap.
me: (in my head*) "thanks so much mr jogger man"
him: (stopping, turning) "why'd you say that?"
me (in surprise): uh, we're just going to overtake you again in a couple of minutes?
him: well, you're supposed to dismount you know.
me: um, we *sre* dismounted?
Me: thinking this was about to get nasty "sorry, i shouldn't have said anything. have a lovely run".
Honestly. what is it with men and MGIF?
*obviously not in my head
Posted 3 years ago # -
Will have been logging it on Strava, saw a space jumped into it. Risky as water to his right.
Posted 3 years ago # -
not so concerned about Strava that he minded stopping for some argy-bargy?
oddly, i could have sworn he had headphones in earlier, since he paid no attention to our previous attempt to overtake.
Posted 3 years ago # -
These Strava guys like an argument
Posted 3 years ago # -
I'm guessing he was delighted at the chance, and was deliberately waiting for one of you to make some sort of comment. Some people just look for arguments.
Posted 3 years ago # -
I came into my office this morning for the first time since January 2020. Took my wife's open framed ebike and got caught at the lights on South Bridge so stopped before the line, got off, pushed the bike around the corner on the pavement & back onto the road Chambers Street past the pedestrian crossing & hopped back on again.
If you were the bearded man who got out of the passenger side of a car and who took offence at my actions and who wished me to decide whether I was a cyclist or a pedestrian, please know that it is possible to transition between the two, just as you did when you got out of the car. When I am sitting on my bike, I am a cyclist and when I am walking next to my bike, pushing it, I am a pedestrian.
Being that the bearded man cycles every day [excluding today, when he was getting dropped of by car], I fully expect that he will be a member of this group. We all have personal opinions & personal preferences on how things should be done. Before shouting at someone in the street, ask yourself, is this just my opinion, or is it actually dangerous/illegal [it's not].
Posted 3 years ago # -
@davidsonsdave I think I may have had an encounter with this bloke (in Newington some years ago).
I invited him to get out of his car and push if he wanted to join in the light-avoiding fun.
He said he "had a camera" and would show it to the polis.
As "OK boomer" wasn't a thing back then I did the handbags-at-dawn gesture, suggested the polis might enjoy a good laugh as much as anyone then cycled off.
Maturity. Nailed it.
Posted 3 years ago # -
I get such dirty looks when i do this at King's junction (if I arrive just after the lights have changed).
always amused that people seem far more aggrieved than if I had just pedalled through
(or like the cars yesterday, driven through on full red, when I had full green)
Posted 3 years ago # -
@srd I think it was 1 in 5 drivers admit to going through lights on red and 87% admit to speeding in a 20mph zone.
Amusing that a cyclist acting legally results in such behaviour, when I would bet that he didn't say a word to whoever gave him a lift when they invariably broke the speed limit.
Posted 3 years ago # -
@mediumdave Did the bloke in your encounter offer to show you his Strava? Seemed rather forward to me. I normally don't look at anyone's Strava until at least the third date ;-)
Posted 3 years ago # -
I walk around corners/through crossing lights all the time, if I think it's worth it. I have also been told (by someone cycling her kids through a pedestrian crossing) that this is in fact illegal, and I replied that it certainly wasn't.
This became rather awkward as we often used that same junction at the same time, and her friend's child would stare at me until I stared back.Posted 3 years ago # -
@davidsonsdave No he didn't - maybe there are 2 of these clowns on the loose?
Posted 3 years ago # -
“this is in fact illegal“
Why do people believe this?
AND strongly enough to confront others over something so trivial (even if it was illegal)?
Do THEY obey ALL laws (including the ones they made up)??
More importantly, do they berate people who park on pavements, drive through red lights etc etc???
Posted 3 years ago # -
@chdot, people feel free to comment on cyclists and other out groups as often as they like whilst thinking little of the terrible parking or driving of the in group.
The response is Why don’t you get yourself a bike if you are so interested in cycling, you sound bike curious? E bikes are a nice stepping stone,
If my Zen is with me I take this line. If m6 Zen has deserted me it is a bit more vulgar.
Posted 3 years ago # -
In this case, I'd decided that walking across the junction was preferable to making a right turn when the light went green, while a group of kids had just started moving through the zebra crossing.
Her youngest (6? 7?) saw me walking out through the crossing, and sensibly slowed so he didn't run into me.
Instead of congratulating him on his awareness, she yelled out, "keep going! she's not allowed to do that!"I asked why not, and she said it was illegal... I was a bit too shocked and too far into the junction to continue.
Posted 3 years ago # -
@canuck, not sure what to say? The person on the pedestrian crossing is cycling on it . Is it one that has a green bike light…?
Posted 3 years ago # -
I have used A71 several times in the past couple of weeks because of the ice/frost on the backroads. There is a motorbike rider who doesn't like it. Every time he sees me he shouts something. Last week he slowed down to ride along me and tell me some things. I can't really hear all that much what comes through his helmet but I did get "what's wrong with you" and today's "F-<rule 2> O-<rule 2>".
Is it worth trying to spot and remember his number plates and report it or do I need some footage?
Posted 3 years ago # -
I would say take his number and report it as threatening behaviour, especially if it's been more than one incident with the same person. I have had a reasonably positive response in the past when reporting motorist aggression, but they always say they can't do anything if I don't have the registration number (which is entirely understandable).
Posted 3 years ago # -
@bill saw this on Strava. It's worrying behaviour and more so if it's continued today. I think footage would be helpful to (a) ensure a appropriate police response (do police stations still have stairs for perps to fall down?) and (b) for him to know any future interactions will be recorded.
Posted 3 years ago # -
@bill - that's like stalking / harassment. He must have issues as motor bikers
loveunderstand risk and generally just go round everything.Slowing down he is threatening you. You didn't give him him a hand signal?
I think you need to report. Make of motorbike or any details. Motorbikes aren't always about plain utility and often adorned with panniers, fairings etc. Owners often have clothes with distinctive stuff. eg Ride position head down with hands dropped race style?
Motorbike traffic is half of bike traffic on many roads. He will be one of only a few using this road at that time.Posted 3 years ago # -
cycling my christmas tree through harrison park (as you do), group of people standing in the middle of the path throwing balls to dogs on both sides of the path. fast moving dogs. I think they'll have the sense to stop? but no terrier comes bowling along at top speed. i scream and slam on brakes and avoid hitting it.
suggest to people that i'd rather not break my hip right now and the dogs should not be chasing across the path.
bloke says blah blah dogs too.
'lady' tells me to stop screaming and take more care.
i thank her for her empathy.
Posted 3 years ago # -
@SRD as a local, I dislike many of the Harrison Park dog posse. Absolutely no need to encourage or allow dogs to run across paths. Frankly, the fenced-off allegedly dog-free bit (or an equivalent) should be the only place dogs are allowed off leads and the rest of it should be lead-only - that’s what they do in many French parks
Posted 3 years ago # -
I don't spend as much time in the park as I used to, but in almost 15 years in the area, i've never had such an unpleasant encounter. Neither of my kids that keen on dogs in the abstract (exceptions made for known dogs) and we've not had problems in the park (towpath a different matter).
Posted 3 years ago # -
@ejstubbs @Murun @LaidBack Thanks for your feedback. This morning I finally managed to memorise the plates number. He did say something to me today but I couldn't work out what that was.
Posted 2 years ago # -
@bill
That's terrible behaviour from the motorcyclist, basically bullying - it definitely needs dealt with by the long arm of the law.
Posted 2 years ago # -
When someone shouts an insult at you in the street it's natural too reciprocate.
Yesterday I didn't and a conversation followed...I was on the twin recliner heading east towards Rankeilor St. The road beomes a cut through and guy was walking in front right in middle on way to Toucan crossing. So I tinged my bell slightly and said I was going by.
Guy in 40s half looks round and says I can stuff my bike etc.
I said 'that's interesting' - quite funny really and read it as not really aggressive but just 'one cyclist too many syndrome'.
He turns round and continues dishing out how I look with my 'stupid red helmet' and 'stupid flags' on bike etc. But he's sort of locked in to dialogue. So I just said I did have a life off the bike and the world's a crap place often. I accepted I was bike entertainment and he wasn't in the mood. Having an off day but my response did make him laugh.
Suspect that's the case with others.
Example how conflicted shared use spaces 'bug' pedestrians. Of course the road is full but people target cyclists on pavements (as they see it).
Was a negative then positive encounter - people carry a lot of anger with them. Upshot of course is I'm the one more likely to modify behaviour. In shared use paths I know bikes are seen as annoying to many - always try and avoid conflict now. That's why we need segregated space if numbers rise.Posted 2 years ago # -
Colleague at work again parked their e-cargo bike so that I could not get my bike out of bike cage. (they parked perpendicular to the others, against our back wheels, blocking at least two of us in, potentially 4). Tern GSD with back carrier; front carrier etc. Immovable.
Had to get someone to come help me lift my bike over three others so I could get home.
NOT impressed.
Posted 2 years ago # -
@SRD - you should tell Graeme Hart to instruct customers on correct Tern GSD bike use! I'm sure some UA owners are not blameless. Many in Amsterdam are fed up with cargo bikes now (why do they need such large bikes etc. Same argument people have about cars)
I get complaints at LB if bikes are parked badly on pavement. Thats' why pallets go to Bike Works as just too narrow and cars are bumper to bumper (on road and parked!) so people find it hard to go round. I do try and move to allow people freedom to walk round.
Nearest bike racks are at bridge.I parked my large shop cargo bike in residents space outside shop other day. Had to move of course to let neighbour in! Did point out that if I had a car I wouldn't have been so happy but they wouldn't have asked.
You can never be totally right with a bike. Bigger bike, bigger problem ;-Posted 2 years ago # -
Presumably your building owns the road solum outside to the centreline?
I've always wanted to find some clear cases to apply for a stopping up order, where the road is not required for the passing & repassing of traffic, and the use of the land reverts to the land owners. With a keen legal trainee there could be some fine potential to cut down on road pavements that are not required for moving traffic (ie almost permanently blocked by parked vehicles), and repurposing them as local mini-parks.
A few examples in Glasgow include Renfield Street (North of Renfrew Street) taken over by SMG as their private parking and setting down area, Park Drive (312 feet deleted from Glasgow list of roads and converted to a car park for Glasgow University, as they own all the frontaging buildings, & there is no justification for its use as a road between 2 places). University also own & manage parking spaces on University gardens (Council only owns & manages the carriageway) plus the West end of University Avenue.
The University also owns/owned the extension of the West End Park (West of the River Kelvin) created when the railway company paid to re-site Glasgow University to Gilmorehill. The lower ground provided sites for Glasgow Exhibitions (including 1901 that delivered Baghdad on Clyde Art Gallery), and in 1914 the Avenue known as Kelvin Way was created (as a carriage drive in Kelvingrove Park) which appears never to have been on the city's list of Roads, & until 1980's had a 20mph speed limit & ban on HGV's
Anyone checked through Edinburgh's list of Roads?
Posted 2 years ago #
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