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  1. chdot
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  2. chdot
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    The author of the strategy, the Leon restaurant co-founder Henry Dimbleby, said Covid-19 had highlighted stark economic, health and nutritional inequalities which are set to be made worse by the pandemic’s economic fallout. He warned that “the wave of unemployment now rushing towards us is likely to create a sharp rise in food insecurity and outright hunger”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/jul/29/huge-growth-in-free-school-meals-urged-to-tackle-food-poverty-crisis

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  3. gembo
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    Clicked here just as the author came on Radio4. Having a go at Percy Pigs. 4 sugars. Not even mentioned the pork gelatins - well they are Pigs.

    Other farmyard animals are available - Colin Cow and Sally Sheep are percy’s pals. Also Reversy Percies which i think are piglets?

    All with pork Gelatine

    And a vegetarian version

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  4. chdot
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  5. chdot
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    people should book holidays but 'be aware quarantine could be imposed', says minister

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/jul/29/uk-coronavirus-live-government-quarantine-covid-19-latest-news-updates

    Helpful...

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  6. toomanybikes
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    Don't understand why we're encouraging holidays abroad, seems like increased risk for no benefit. I get encouraging tourism into the country, as that's an inflow of money, but out makes no sense whatsoever to me. The cost of flights is dwarfed by any spending you'd make on a domestic trip.

    Surely should just be measured advice that wouldn't draw the ire of corporate airline party donors/ sector spokesmen, something like: 'those going abroad should be prepared to quarantine on their return if it unfortunately becomes necessary. For those who would particularly struggle to quarantine on return, perhaps for work or family reasons, staycationing in the UK remains a fantastic alternative.'

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  7. chdot
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    Well yes, all part of the mixed messaging - Scotland and England.

    Misplaced optimism.

    All sorts of pressures (not just commercial) for ‘business as usual’, ‘as soon as possible’.

    Generally, the more people you interact with (closely) the more chance of catching/spreading, so no reason to believe Bournemouth is safer than Ibiza.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  8. crowriver
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    Is Henry Dimblebum any relation to the famous BBC Dimblebum dynasty?

    I think we should be told.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  9. gembo
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    Ok, he is the son of David Dimblewimbleby. According to Wikipedia

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  10. crowriver
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    BREAKING: Scion Of Venerable Aunty Beeb Dynasty Broadcasts on Aunty Beeb Radio Four As His Ancestors Did Before Him, Attacks Percy Pig Children's Novelty Sweets

    In Pictures: The Attenboroughs, How They Are Related. See Inside, Page 4.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  11. bax
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    The cost of flights is dwarfed by any spending you'd make on a domestic trip.

    train fares in uk are a farce

    i could do a prague/dresden combo, plane and bus trip twice over and it would still be cheaper than getting a return train ticket to cornwall

    that cant be right

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  12. toomanybikes
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    ' so no reason to believe Bournemouth is safer than Ibiza.'

    Whilst somewhat true, there's much more control on Bournemouth by the government, whereas hotspots abroad are total blindspots for transmission. If we had a coherent strategy towards elimination, international travel to places with other rules would not be included.

    An example is the apparently huge music festival planned in Malta. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-53395609 Surely going to be a hotbed for novel transmission chains into the UK if it goes ahead.

    International travel messes up contact tracing as individuals are far less likely to interact with the relevant authorities where they were on holiday after they've gotten back home and developed symptoms.

    More domestic travel also means sitting in a plane <50cm away from strangers as well as less time in crowded airports, which is doubly key when people in those airports are coming from even more unknown locations, and are even less likely to be traceable.

    If there's a harsh localised/national lockdown whilst you're on holiday in your own country, you can much more easily get back home without requiring your government to repatriate you.

    Ultimately I'm of the opinion international holidays are a really stupid idea by all involved parties at the moment.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  13. crowriver
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    Mr Tickle from Aunty Beeb* has gone all nautical, to a surreal degree:

    'Talk of a second wave is the stuff of nightmares'

    'Margaret Harris, from the World Health Organization, has made clear that what we have seen is "one big wave" that is making its way across the globe.'

    'But rather than this being a second wave - or the start of one - perhaps we are better off thinking of these as the existing wave bursting through the defences.'

    'Prof Paul Hunter, a Covid expert at Norwich Medical School, says for it to be a second wave the virus would have to have gone away completely, so he prefers to call it a "resurgence". '

    'Prof Keith Neal, an expert in infectious diseases from University of Nottingham, says these spikes will become a way of life, but they are in "no way" a second wave.'

    'There is a good chance, it seems, that what will be seen are the ripples from the first wave rather than a big second wave.'

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53579731

    * - He goes under the implausible pseudonym of "Nick Triggle". Pah! You can't fool the Great British Public®. We know it's Mr Tickle! Or is it Mr. Tumble?

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
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    My granny used to bring Three Bulls brandy back from Spain. Rough drinking liquor but most convivial.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  15. crowriver
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    I find Osborne Veterano a tad smoother. I thought the brandy discussion was on the other thread? Brandy, dogs, waves, it's all merging into a miasma of decoupled signs...

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  16. Baldcyclist
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    The story is about England, however you can also see how badly Scotland did in comparison to other places.

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/live/2020/jul/30/uk-coronavirus-live-news-covid-19-latest-updates-isolation-period

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  17. Baldcyclist
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    BBC Disclosure program on how badly CV was handled in care homes in Scotland. FM, and ScotGov in general refused to be interviewed for the program.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000l2fk

    I believe there will be a similar Panorama program on how badly England dealt with it on Thursday.

    Posted 2 weeks ago #
  18. chdot
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  19. bax
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    people from different households will not be allowed to meet each other indoors in Greater Manchester, Blackburn with Darwen, Burnley, Hyndburn, Pendle, Rossendale, Bradford, Calderdale, Kirklees

    but they are still expected to go to work, indoors, with people from different households

    this isn't credible, its not even intended to be credible

    fake lockdown from now on

    Posted 1 week ago #
  20. chdot
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    Yep

    Messaging shambles evolving -

    https://twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1288950723363966977

    Posted 1 week ago #
  21. chdot
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    One of the affected councils doesn’t seem to know what’s happening either. Councillors are being contacted by their constituents full of questions but they’ve no idea what to tell them.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall/status/1288958888663031808

    Posted 1 week ago #
  22. chdot
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  23. chdot
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    The Scottish government is advising against all but essential travel to Greater Manchester, East Lancashire and parts of West Yorkshire for people in Scotland.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/live/2020/jul/31/uk-coronavirus-large-areas-of-northern-england-put-back-in-lockdown-after-rise-in-cases?page=with:block-5f23f68b8f08bb338d7094bb#block-5f23f68b8f08bb338d7094bb

    Posted 1 week ago #
  24. Baldcyclist
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    Scottish excess deaths 3rd highest in Europe, behind England and Spain...

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18618596.coronavirus-scotland-third-highest-rate-excess-deaths-europe-england-spain/

    Posted 1 week ago #
  25. bax
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  27. Baldcyclist
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    We went for a meal in Dundee a few days ago, and I admit I felt really uncomfortable with the number of people sat round me. It really didn't feel like 1n distancing was enough. I said at the time I wouldn't be going to a restaurant again, or a pub for that matter during Covid, this is why ...

    BBC News - Coronavirus: Covid cluster linked to Aberdeen bar after 13 new cases
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-53627801

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  28. chdot
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    Sir Paul Nurse, the nobel laureate and director of the Francis Crick Institute in London, said important decisions throughout the pandemic had been made in what appeared to be a “black box” of scientists, civil servants and politicians, and called for more transparency and scrutiny.

    The failure to be more open about pivotal decisions, and the basis on which they were reached, meant it had been impossible to challenge emerging policy, he said, a situation that fuelled poor decisions and put public trust at risk.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/02/secrecy-has-harmed-uk-governments-response-to-covid-19-crisis-says-top-scientist

    Posted 1 week ago #
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  30. jdanielp
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    I had planned to take my old hybridised MTB in to have a broken shifter fixed or replaced if and when this became available in Scotland, but I now see that 'The scheme is aimed at people who wouldn’t otherwise be able to afford standard cycle repairs at this time.' which therefore excludes me taking part.

    https://www.cyclinguk.org/scotland-cycle-repair-scheme-faqs

    Posted 1 week ago #

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