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  1. twinspark
    Member

    "Don’t suppose there’s any new bike parking?"

    That I think os a fundamental issue... it's all well and good making it easier for people to get about by bike, however if there's no secure bike parking then people may not be inclined to stop and shop - oh dear, does that sound a bit drivist?

    Probably an easy win would be for the Council to put a cycle hoop on every suitable post?

    I have noticed a lot of the LSE pictures on issues for pedestrians invariably and unfortunately include a bike... along with the enormous bin/ van / temporary signange / whatever making things narrower than need e....

    Posted 4 years ago #

  2. crowriver
    Member

    Can't imagine Cllr Laidlaw got many votes in Craigmillar. Joppa, Brighton Place, etc. perhaps.

    He does seem to be a bit of an erse, but in fairness he is consistent about it.

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    ...recently called on the council to “make the case” for a “greater opening up” of the city’s economy.

    On Twitter, he also criticised some of the restrictions: “Stopping restaurants serving wine or offering a dinner service will destroy a vital element of Edinburgh’s economy and many livelihoods.”

    He also wrote that there would hopefully be “no need for a lockdown in Edinburgh if people continue to #keeptheheid”.

    The Daily Record can reveal Laidlaw will be returning to the city soon after a family holiday in the sun.

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    https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-tory-candidate-apologises-canaries-23008017

    Posted 4 years ago #

  3. gembo
    Member

    Other hypocrites have had to fall on their swords. Why is Cllr Laidlaw not being censored.?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  4. 14Westfield
    Member

    The Daily Record can reveal Laidlaw will be returning to the city soon after a family holiday in the sun.

    May the pox strike anyone who has chosen a foreign holiday during a global pandemic.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  5. Morningsider
    Member

    All seems a bit harsh. The good Councillor is a champion of local business - just unfortunate that the locality is 2000 miles from Portobello.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  6. gembo
    Member

    Family holiday?

    As the great Wayne Coyne said on his single with the less great Miley Cyrus

    We A Family

    Thanks Callum I am gonna fire that up on Spotify

    Posted 4 years ago #

  7. acsimpson
    Member

    Interesting typo in the article:

    A Tory councillor who represents the Craigmillar and coronavirus ward in Edinburgh has apologised for failing to follow current level three Edinburgh guidance against unnecessary travel out of your own local authority area.

    ...someone from Musselburgh in Holyrood should not travel to the city of Edinburgh...

    Posted 4 years ago #

  8. gembo
    Member

    Portobello is the coronavirus Ward?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  9. crowriver
    Member

    @acsimpson, only in the Edinburgh Live version, the Record has no such error. Probably some automated algorithmically generated "article" that scraped the DR page and was not corrected by a humanoid...

    Posted 4 years ago #

  10. Ed1
    Member

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54954698

    Posted 4 years ago #

  11. steveo
    Member

    May the pox strike anyone who has chosen a foreign holiday during a global pandemic.

    Including folk who were set to lose thousands of pounds on top of everything else in the last couple of years (including ongoing covid).....

    Posted 4 years ago #

  12. SRD
    Moderator

    One of my students is doing survey on experiences of covid restrictions... and i know how you all love a survey https://edinburgh.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3eNgb2pklSqHxQh

    (I've not looked at it yet... the assessment is primarily on survey design, so i am limited in how much feedback i can give on questions etc)

    Posted 4 years ago #

  13. fimm
    Member

    Done.
    As student surveys go, this one is pretty good!

    Posted 4 years ago #

  14. amir
    Member

    Covid-19’s known unknowns

    Will people/politicians/press get the notion of uncertainty after this "educational year"? I wouldn't bet on it, but it would be beneficial going forward.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  15. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/17/rishi-sunak-refuses-to-say-if-he-will-profit-from-moderna-covid-vaccine

    Posted 4 years ago #

  16. LaidBack
    Member

    Media melt down from the west with Level 4 intro on Friday.

    Cue publicans blaming students and schools for high rates in Glasgow. But Edinburgh also has students and is staying in level 3.
    East & Mid Lothian going down into level 2.
    People ask what's the exit strategy? Well moving to a lower level is a start although it may just be temporary if people get too careless.
    Meanwhile the alternative approach by Sweden is ending with only small groups (8?) of people being allowed to meet up.
    No-one really know which approach is right but the idea that locking down island and highland parts in a UK approach seemed too severe.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  17. crowriver
    Member

    "Media melt down from the west" - must seem a bit unfair that Embra has (so far) escaped the same fate. However the number of infections per 100k people is far lower here.

    "Edinburgh also has students" - we have a very large number, a much bigger proportion of the population than in Glesca.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  18. gembo
    Member

    House parties, reveling And rebelling against authority, poverty, drizzle.

    Yo7 name it, Glasgow and environs has it.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  19. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Remember the short sharp circuit break in Oct which didn't work? Soon to be followed by the short sharp tier 4 lockdown in Nov, followed by the short sharp national lockdown from Dec - Feb.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  20. LaidBack
    Member

    @gembo - as you say, for parts of the west central belt life expectancy is lower. 73/78 years in Glasgow City (male/female).
    Scot av is 77/81. UK av 79/83.
    Poor health + CV-19 and outcomes are bound to be worse.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  21. gembo
    Member

    @laidback, even when you factor out all other variables - poverty, poor diets etc, the west coast life is six months shorter on average. The epidemiologist presenting this data was not against my Drizzle theory

    Posted 4 years ago #

  22. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/nov/18/test-and-trace-chief-dido-harding-goes-into-covid-self-isolation

    Posted 4 years ago #

  23. SRD
    Moderator

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18880399.coronavirus-scotland-ended-back-lockdown-just-follow-numbers/

    Posted 4 years ago #

  24. Stickman
    Member

    Scottish Health Sec announcing details of the planned vaccination programme. Starting in December with the most vulnerable /health staff etc. Aiming for 1m people vaccinated by January, with it available to the whole adult population by April.

    An utterly amazing scientific achievement.

    https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus-scotland-one-million-scots-be-vaccinated-january-jeane-freeman-says-3041251

    Posted 4 years ago #

  25. crowriver
    Member

    "An utterly amazing scientific achievement."

    Think I'll reserve judgement until such time as the announcement becomes reality.

    It's great news, but we'll need to wait and see how and when the vaccination programme will actually operate, and also what the results will be. Then we can say what has been achieved.

    Beeb more cautious:
    "The health secretary said it was not yet known which vaccines would be approved for use or precisely when the first doses would be delivered."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55005494

    Reasons to be hopeful for the future are of course very welcome.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  26. Stickman
    Member

    @crowriver: well, we have two vaccines getting ready for approval and a third looking extremely promising. Medical/pharma types are pretty confident that it’s just a matter of time for these to be ready.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  27. crowriver
    Member

    Just because the government and media are making a big fuss about it, doesn't mean we are going to get a vaccination programme running in a fortnight's time.

    I seem to recall Russia announcing its own vaccine a while back, but it got short shrift in the media. Maybe that was "fake news", or maybe not. Now that "our" scientists have announced their vaccines, the celebrations have started. And yet, when we look more closely, none of the vaccines have yet been approved for use.

    All of these announcements are great for securing orders, and for share prices in Big Pharma, no doubt. Presumably the universities and big corporations can be trusted to deliver a safe vaccine at a reasonable cost.

    As I say though, I'll reserve judgement on what has been achieved until the vaccination programme is actually being delivered.

    Addendum:- More recent details on the Russian vaccine. 92% effective apparently. News not hitting the headlines here, oddly. Maybe doesn't quite fit the larger media narrative?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54905330

    "Two doses are also required, but one advantage of Sputnik is that it doesn't need to be stored at very low temperatures, around -80C, unlike Pfizer's."

    Posted 4 years ago #

  28. crowriver
    Member

    With attitudes like this being brazenly boasted about on Scottish television news, it's little wonder that Glesca and the West are under lockdown. Pretty sure the virus doesn't care about people's "opinion"...

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    ...one parent of a girl who attends a Glasgow school told BBC Scotland she would still be hosting sleepovers at her home. "I don't see an issue now with having other kids and friends and cousins around the house," she said. "I've done it. I have had her friends from school across, I've had her cousins staying."

    The woman, who wished to remain anonymous, told BBC Scotland's The Nine programme she understood she was breaking the law, but said her daughter was with the same children all day, sharing the same toilets and lunch area. "I won't be abiding by [the law]. I will allow my daughter to have a sleepover, a friend over. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion," she said.

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-55005077

    Posted 4 years ago #

  29. Baldcyclist
    Member

    The Sputnik/Oxford vaccine does look promising.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  30. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    "With attitudes like this being brazenly boasted about on Scottish television news, it's little wonder that Glesca and the West are under lockdown. Pretty sure the virus doesn't care about people's "opinion"..."

    Not condoning it, but social distancing amongst primary school pupils is pretty much a myth, so having a classmate over sans parents is probably not moving the risk dial too much (you're in the chain, it's just one link closer). Perhaps the parents are risk junkies who want to experience the PPE-less Covid peril the state asks, nay, demands of its teachers?

    Posted 4 years ago #

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