Medics in NHS being offered the phizer. minus 70 jabs. Makes sense
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Unlike other drugs with weird untested compounds, these vaccines are all RNA based. We're chock full of RNA already and break it down really quickly, so long term effects are much much less likely then with your average novel drug.
Side effects would also have to be particularly savage to be worse than covid. Much bigger impact than your average drug/vaccine which gives a *much* smaller risk (hazard reduction * probability of exposure) reduction.
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Surely we want the effects to be long-term? I know how mRNA vaccines function in principle and it does seem quite neat if it works. Will take.
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And presumably the fragile nature of RNA is the reason why these vaccines need to be stored at such low temperatures?
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Only the phizer. Vax needs low temps
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And can be moved a maximum of four times. For hi-tech lab type environments only...
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Okay, I'm convinced @toomanybikes no problems expected.
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“ According to sources close to NHS Lothian’s board, the EICC is the favourite to win a contract with the health board to act as the main vaccination centre for the capital.”
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Isn't the Oxford vaccine a viral vector vaccine (genetically modified chimpanzee cold virus)?
Co-incidentally?? so is the Sputnik vaccine.
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Help is on its way.
The MHRA has formally authorised the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine for Covid-19.
The NHS stands ready to start vaccinating early next week.
The UK is the first country in the world to have a clinically approved vaccine for supply.
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I am guessing my NHS pal knew this was coming as he knew he was getting vax next week
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Indeed, the Grapevine (my wife, see post a couple days ago) had come home from work on Thursday and said Consultants said they were getting it on 7th.
No news on when she is getting it, suspect she won't given private hospital, despite most of the work they are doing is bringing down NHS lists and also NHS cancer cases at the moment.Posted 3 years ago # -
I have another pal who was going to private hospital for second cancer treatment (first on NHS) last week but was cancelled as the consultant had COVID
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Likely the same consultant that did the NHS case.
All of the consultants at wife's work (and really the sector) are NHS consultants who are moonlighting to pay their kids school fees. They also do too many cases, often double that of an an NHS list with the same staff.
It's always bothered me - the irony isn't lost on me regarding the mortgage contribution her salary makes - but I'll be happier when she is in the Nash. But she does like the pace of private while she is still youngish.
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Apparently private much more lax according to my friend prior to her going in for treatment that was then cancelled.
Also of note as she is very very keen on sushi that NHS had no sushi on menus but private did
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“Storage at -70” isn’t quite the full story:
Once a POU receives a thermal shipper with our vaccine, they have three options for storage:
- Ultra-low-temperature freezers, which are commercially available and can extend shelf life for up to six months.
- Refrigeration units that are commonly available in hospitals. The vaccine can be stored for five days at refrigerated 2-8°C conditions.
- The Pfizer thermal shippers, in which doses will arrive, that can be used as temporary storage units by refilling with dry ice for up to 15 days of storage.
After storage for 15 days in the Pfizer thermal shipper, vaccination centers can transfer the vials to 2-8°C storage conditions for an additional five days, for a total of 20 days. Once thawed and stored under 2-8°C conditions, the vials cannot be re-frozen or stored under frozen conditionhttps://www.pfizer.com/news/hot-topics/covid_19_vaccine_u_s_distribution_fact_sheet
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Once transported a flask of liquid nitrogen from Edinburgh to Cheshire with my mate in his Ford Escort. Maybe I could pick up some vaccine courier work?
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There's lots of liquid nitrogen flasks running up and down the roads. I'm sure a fair amount of it is for <ahem> specialist agricultural use by livestock farmers.
However, the straws being transported are much smaller than any vaccine vials I've seen.
I've received other non-agricultural samples in polystyrene boxes with dry ice (solid CO2), but these aren't suitable for long-term storage unlike the liquid nitrogen flasks.
Robert
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of all places i might want to eat sushi, hospital is not on the list.
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@SRD
Just snorted out loud, well done. Bit painful. Unexpected.
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I've received other non-agricultural samples
hang on, back up a sec.
what kind of <ahem> specialist non-agricultural samples have you been receiving?
Mrs Steveo did order fresh pasta mail order which came frozen with packets of dry ice and sheeps wool for insulation. Quite inventive.
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A man's specialist non-agricultural samples are his own private kingdom.
I know someone whose job was once to procure non-agricultural samples of the same general type as the agricultural sort I believe the first paragraph was referring to but from non-agricultural megafauna, though of a species type closely associated with pastoral farming.
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@SRD even a private hospital? They are like hotels with sushi bars, mindfulness suites and the like
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@gembo Can't say i've ever been in a hotel like that, much less a hospital, but the answer is still no.
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Scotch egg confusion deepens again as Matt Hancock gives another baffling answer
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<grin>
I didn't say that the non-agricultural supplies were of the <ahem> specialist variety!
As far as know the <ahem> specialist sort are always transported in liquid nitrogen, whereas I've received some things packed in dry ice in a research context in the past - chemicals, micro-organisms and the like.
Ask me over coffee some time about some of my lab stories - I'm sure several of us could exchange tales. One of my choice ones invokes the mood of Alien, with dripping acid...
Robert
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This has become unsavoury. No thread should contain both (Scotch) eggs and sperm.
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@gembo @SRD
Vitality Health insurance (we have it through work and they covered 50% of my bike value) offers money if you choose to stay at an NHS hospital rather than a private one:
NHS hospital cash benefit
£250 each night to a maximum of £2,000 and £125 each day to a maximum of £500But I don't know how much sushi costs.
EDIT:
They also have a special Covid cashback:If you’re affected by Coronavirus and need an NHS hospital stay, our COVID-19 Cashback Benefit pays a cash amount for each day of your stay:
• Days 1 to 8 – £250 per day
• Day 9 onwards – £500 per day*
• The benefit pays up to a maximum of £5,000 overall
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