Biological Jujitsu - How BoJo describes the vaccine developments...
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"COVID-19 Cashback"
Now I really have seen it all.
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Looking at my Facebook feed, and one of the 'community' groups there, we're all stuffed. No one's going to take the vaccine, meaning no herd immunity and the virus will be back next winter, along with the lockdowns. Sigh.
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• Days 1 to 8 – £250 per day
• Day 9 onwards – £500 per day*
• The benefit pays up to a maximum of £5,000 overallNicely obfuscating the fact that you would only get £500 for a maximum of 6 days.
@Baldycyclist. I can't understand why not taking the vaccine is even a thing. It's like climate denial media balance all over again. The science says we should almost all be taking it so why is there any acceptance or advertising in the media that people are planning not to take it. We may yet need a surveillance state with vaccination passports to allow us into public spaces.
Edit: on second thoughts perhaps that's why there is an anti vax movement so that the powers that be can instigate such a scheme.
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"No one's going to take the vaccine"
Are these possibly the same folk who:
- Reckon Covid is just "the flu"
- Complained vociferously about lockdown, pubs and schools closing, etc.
- Voted for Brexit
- Think Trump was denied a second term by Deep State operatives committing electoral fraudPosted 3 years ago # -
Not sure if this also applies in Scotland?
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NHS staff no longer at front of queue for Covid vaccine after rethink
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/03/nhs-staff-no-longer-front-queue-covid-vaccine-rethink
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Bizarre. I would put NHS staff right at the front alongside care home staff. Hope Scotland holds to that.
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Logically you would want those treating you to be well enough to do so.
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Scotland appears to be keeping the heid:
"From next Tuesday we will begin vaccinating first the vaccinators themselves and then work our way through the first cohorts of health and social care workers."
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we will begin vaccinating first the vaccinators themselves
spooky mobius strip bizness
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Who vaccinates the vaccinators?
(Cue Alan Moore comix miniseries)
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UK food and drink trends 'fundamentally reshaped' by pandemic
Waitrose report says cooking at home is the new commute and more people buying food online
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https://www.thenational.scot/news/18922805.coronavirus-areas-scotland-covid-cases/
Embedded tabular info showing number of cases in assorted areas. May not work on all browsers.
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If rich countries don't fund a *global* vaccination programme, we'll simply be back *here* in two years...
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Person oppsoite appears to be running his construction business from his conservatory, people in having meetings all the time, and what looks like admin staff in most days.
I appreciate it's hard for people at the moment, but at the very least he should make sure they are distanced, and really if they can work from his home it should be possible from them to work from their homes!
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File this "news" under No Sh1t Sherlock:
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Covid in Scotland: Second wave reignited by summer holidays
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-55243560
Glad to see I'm not the only one feeling as if Edinburgh (and indeed Midlothian) has got the somewhat, er...contaminated end of the stick this time around.
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Isn't it because ICU occupancy is still high? Doesn't really matter what level the cases are at if there are no beds to put the still increasing number of sick people in.
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You can take the FM out of the West coast, but you cannae take the West coast out of the FM.
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Recent figures from the UK Government suggest that, over the past 7 days, Scotland has recorded 100.7 coronavirus cases per 100,000 of the population.
Over the same period, England has recorded 149.2 cases per 100,000, Northern Ireland 150.6, and Wales 297.4.
Over the entirety of the pandemic, according to those same UK Government statistics, Scotland has recorded 1857.4 Covid cases per 100,000 people. This is the lowest of the UK nations. England has recorded 2667 per 100,000 people, Wales 2911.4, and Northern Ireland 2946.4.
Scotland has a population density of 65 people per square kilometre compared to England’s 432, Wales’s 151, and Northern Ireland’s 133.
Some stats printed in the National in response to how bad the UK as a whole is doing. Journalist was pointing out that things are very bad here - far from ideal of course but the four nations each have unique characteristics. Wales is currently facing greatest challenge despite recent lockdown.
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FM under attack in parliament from Richard Leonard for not putting Edinburgh down from level 3 into Level 2.
Montpelier and Signature pub groups are lobbying. Assume Ian Murray thinks city should open up more.
City has Adam McVey as SNP leader and he is at odds it seems with ScotGov analysis of how safe it is to open up more. Fact is that Edinburgh has enjoyed level 3 when half of Scot population was in 4.
Situation reviewed next Tuesday.Posted 3 years ago # -
I'm confused as I think I agree with Miles Briggs and Cole-Hamilton that Nicola has got the reasoning wrong on this one. Although as Andy Wightman is also a signatory on their letter to Nicola perhaps it's OK.
If the only reason Edinburgh was kept in tier 3 is to discourage people coming from outside the city to shop and enjoy hospitality then there is no way we can ever more down a tier. Either they need to change the rules on the tiers, move Edinburgh down or further explain what the actual reason for keeping Edinburgh in 3 are.
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Can't see any reason for other than total transparency. Is that not the case with these decisions? I have not been following.
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It’s an incredibly difficult decision. Apparently also taken into account that cases in Edinburgh haven’t fallen as much as in other areas (although from a lower starting point) and that test positivity here is starting to rise.
As the consequences of Thanksgiving gathering can now be seen in the US is it any wonder that decision makers are being cautious on this? I think the Christmas period is going to lead to a surge in January cases and subsequent deaths.
There are no easy solutions here.
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“There are no easy solutions here.“
Very true. So many variables. In the case of Edinburgh and its tier status, one element must be the expectation that lots of people will cross borders/travel distances they are not supposed to. Inevitably without enforcement.
Not just SG of course, but part of the problem is the overlapping/conflicting reasons/priorities.
Clearly Govs have a duty to do their best to reduce deaths/excess deaths. But so far, the idea that older people, care homes and staff & carers have been prioritised (adequately) is, to say the least, unproven.
Is ‘hospitality’ suffering because of unreasonable restrictions or because people aren’t expected to be able to stick to social distancing rules?
Clearly alcohol complicates things, but are rules being better observed in all other commercial premises that are open?
At the start of all this there were a lot of unknowns and the basics of hand washing and social distancing were useful/probably essential, but are many people getting Covid from ‘surfaces’ or overtaking people in supermarket aisles?
It was a while before face coverings became mandatory. Was this because supplies were limited or because the degree of importance was only realised down the line?
Etc.
If (as is widely expected) there is a surge in cases after Christmas, presumably that will be a result of private hospitality?
Are people bad at rational risk assessment?
Or are they/we just balancing ‘sense’ with necessary social interaction in difficult times?
Not expecting answers, just thinking through my thumb.
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"Are people bad at rational risk assessment?"
Depends.
Was at the local shops yesterday. Very busy for mid-afternoon on a Wednesday. Either it's Chrimbo shopping season or No Deal Prepper Stockpiling. One or the other. Counted three individuals not wearing face coverings in the shop, at the till, during my short visit. Possibly had pre-existing conditions, or DILLIGAFs, but my instinct was more the latter as they looked in rude health to the untrained eye.
Does seem odd that Edina remains in Level 3 while the Dons are in Level 2. I for one, not complaining about it - give the DILLIGAFs enough rope, etc. Pour encourager les autres...
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Very bad assessing risk.
Every time I cycle to work in the snow I get lots of concerned comments about riding a bike in that weather.
I sometimes mention that cycling isn’t a major killer in the west of Scotland but heart disease is.
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I sometimes mention that cycling isn’t a major killer in the west of Scotland but heart disease is.
We're far better at instinctively considering short term risk/reward over long term.
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Media reporting that Oxford and Russian scientists are to team up and trial using their vaccines together. You can almost hear the crunching of gears and the scratching of heads at the BBC due to having to resolve cognitive dissonance. Grauniad so shocked it has not even reported this. Doesn't fit the "evil Russians" narrative at all. I would laugh if it wasn't such a desperately sad reflection of the jingoistic attitudes in these islands.
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