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  1. crowriver
    Member

    "people in this country are too selfish/stupid/libertarian to prevent this from happening"

    Certainly an element of that. House parties, risk takers, virus deniers and DILLIGAFs. Also other factors: the working poor; those who have to use public transport; some who were probably just unlucky.

    Three relatives have had Covid that I know of. One lives in London, the epidemiologist. He was infected during the first wave. The other two are on my partner's side of the family, they don't live in the UK. They're from a country which had hardly any cases in the spring, maybe people got complacent as they've had a bad second wave. A cousin caught the virus while on an ill-advised beach holiday; my brother-in-law caught it fairly recently, most likely at work.

    You're more at risk the more people you have contact with. Avoid those kinds of situations as much as possible and you're likely a bit safer.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  2. chdot
    Admin

    “

    Ana Arendar, the head of Oxfam’s inequality campaign, said the fact that the richest of the rich have made so much money during the coronavirus pandemic “proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the global economic system is not fit for purpose”.

    “

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/dec/19/ten-billionaires-reap-400bn-boost-to-wealth-during-pandemic

    Posted 4 years ago #

  3. chdot
    Admin

    Last night at St. Pancras (thread) -

    https://twitter.com/harrietclugston/status/1340383304143540227

    Posted 4 years ago #

  4. SRD
    Moderator

    Really appalled by this woman leaving London, saying “my mother is alone, of course I’ll go”.

    No one disagrees with her commitment to her mother, but can she not think if everyone else she is potentially spreading the new strain virus to?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  5. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    That is shocking. Public safety shouldn't be left entirely to individual choice. I thought we learned that from Hillsborough.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  6. chdot
    Admin

    Presume it wasn’t just St. Pancras.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  7. gembo
    Member

    Kings Cross I imagine will have been rammed too

    Posted 4 years ago #

  8. HankChief
    Member

    AIUI - LNER had a policy that you couldn't get on a train without a seat booking so wasn't similarly impacted.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  9. LaidBack
    Member

    @cyclingmollie - puts it in perspective. Best wishes.

    On the new variant CV-19 I'm confused. Watched FM yesterday. The team with Jason Leitch said 17 cases were known. 16 in Glasgow and one in Borders. JL said genome testing is only done to 10% of samples at Portadown. So actual incidence could be higher. (than 10%)
    Watched Sky News later and Chris Whitty seemed certain that the new strain is going to be dominant in south. Is that extrapolation? Very definite percentages given (around 40%) but wondered how they would know? Can't find link.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  10. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    Thanks laidback. I've got two weeks off starting Christmas day as our service is shutting down for a fortnight. We could do with it.

    The virus was spread originally by people returning from holidays abroad. These trains should have mandatory PPE, social distancing, pre-booking, track and trace, contact point cleaning eg the toilets after every visit and the windows open. Or they shouldn't be allowed to run. The government had lost control of the situation and as usual allows the blame to fall on individuals.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  11. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/20/police-to-stop-people-fleeing-new-covid-tier-4-areas-hancock-says

    Posted 4 years ago #

  12. crowriver
    Member

    Saw that viddo last night.

    Not very surprising that a large number of people are flagrantly ignoring the risks of a pandemic and choosing to travel long distances, even though they're not supposed to. We all know there will be a sizeable minority who are ignoring the rules and doing what the heck they want to. How else has the virus spread so much during lockdown in England?

    The interesting thing is that someone was not only prepared to do that, but also to brag about it on social media, while attempting to justify themselves and simultaneously blame the government for their own actions.

    That's where we're at as a society...

    Posted 4 years ago #

  13. Stickman
    Member

    The train station pictures are dramatic; unseen are the even greater numbers driving across the country from London.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  14. crowriver
    Member

    @Stickman, Yes exactly. It's not the folk posting about it on social media but the thousands slyly heading off under the radar that will be the real problem. No doubt they'll be justifying themselves in the same way, but without splurging it all over Twitter.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  15. chdot
    Admin

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    Police Scotland has said it will double its presence along the border with England. The force’s chief constable, Iain Livingstone, said “highly visible patrols” on roads will be used to “deter anyone who might be considering breaching the coronavirus travel restrictions”.

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    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/dec/20/police-to-stop-people-fleeing-new-covid-tier-4-areas-hancock-says

    Posted 4 years ago #

  16. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/people/ikea-stores-scotland-will-stay-open-when-level-4-restrictions-start-boxing-day-3074285

    Posted 4 years ago #

  17. acsimpson
    Member

    "Police Scotland has said it will double its presence along the border with England"

    Double nothing is still nothing though. Unless I've missed something we don't have a border force.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  18. crowriver
    Member

    The Exodus From Londinium has not gone entirely unnoticed:

    Travel chaos as trains and motorways loaded with people escaping London for Christmas

    Many tickets from capital to Manchester, Newcastle, Liverpool, and Glasgow for evening of 19 December sold out

    "Traffic data showed jams increasing inside London and its surrounds, and train prices were surging with increased demand. "

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/traffic-tier-4-london-south-east-b1776612.html

    Posted 4 years ago #

  19. chdot
    Admin

    “
    France’s decision to block lorries arriving from the UK for 48 hours in response to the emergence of a new strain of Covid-19 will have a “devastating effect” on the supply of food and other consumer goods to Britain, industry representatives have warned.

    “

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/20/frances-covid-freight-ban-to-have-devastating-effect-on-uk-sector-warns

    Posted 4 years ago #

  20. chdot
    Admin

    https://twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/1340776299787395080

    Posted 4 years ago #

  21. dessert rat
    Member

    So infuriating. All those in power who said we couldn't copy NZ, UK was too big to shut borders etc..... Are now seeing that our borders can be shut quite easier after all.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  22. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Iain McR

    I think rage is the only appropriate response to those people's actions.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  23. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "couldn't copy NZ"

    Yes, now is the opportunity. Lockdown hard and for a long time, and then keep the borders closed afterwards.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  24. chdot
    Admin

    Except that it’s far too late.

    No need for any more infections to be imported, it’s all here and “out of control” (Gov Minister).

    Biggest failure (apart from PPE, care homes and everything else) was in failing to ENFORCE quarantine.

    If everyone landing at Heathrow, Dover, etc. had been taken straight to a hotel, things would look VERY different.

    Of course, in the UK, that would have been anti-libertarian. (Kettling Leicester was OK.)

    No doubt Gov also thought that paying for hotels would be too expensive. Would have been a bargain.

    “I think rage is the only appropriate response”

    Understandable, but wouldn’t impact on those responsible. If it makes people feel better, fine, but maybe better options (personal choice).

    Posted 4 years ago #

  25. slowcoach
    Member

    "hotels would be too expensive"?
    a FB friend in Australia returned from trip to Queensland to Western Australia this week and has to self- quarantine for a fortnight, with "check in alarms from WA police when I have to open this app, take a selfie and send it to them within 5 minutes."

    Posted 4 years ago #

  26. chdot
    Admin

    That’s the way to do it!

    Posted 4 years ago #

  27. jonty
    Member

    aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

    my reaction to the news this morning in full

    Posted 4 years ago #

  28. crowriver
    Member

    Aunty Beebly Noise carrying a couple of interviews with people who were left stranded on a cross-Channel ferry after it was cancelled. Obviously they were very disappointed not to be going to France to see friends and family, but what exactly were they thinking heading to France from a Tier 4 area anyway??? France quite justified in closing the border, it would seem.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  29. crowriver
    Member

    I'm seeing rumours on Twitter of panic buying, empty supermarché shelves, limiting customers to two packets of pasta, rice, etc. Presume this is South East Englandshire/Londinium, but maybe similar scenes coming to a groceries outlet near you soon...

    Posted 4 years ago #

  30. Stickman
    Member

    My wife was in Morrison’s at the Gyle earlier and said there was no sign of any panic. When I passed Corstorphine Tesco it didn’t look any busier than normal.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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