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  1. crowriver
    Member

    Must be just England and Wales then.

    Although my local shop was noticeably busy today. Whereas on my previous two visits earlier this week the place was almost deserted...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  2. SRD
    Moderator

    According to a friend, slateford Lidl sold out of pasta.

    Roads - Colinton, Polwarth etc seemed very busy yesterday when we were out for a walk. During the week they’ve been fairly quiet.

    Was in town today. Seemed busy but I don’t have much to judge it by. More masks in Queen st area than down Leith walk

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. Baldcyclist
    Member

    All this 'disruption' does seem to bring to light the enviromental impact of driving fresh food from one end of the continent to the other every day.

    Would be better if it stopped, and we ate more locally, and seasonally. There's plenty food in the country already, we just choose not to eat it.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    “There's plenty food in the country already, we just choose not to eat it.“

    Dunno how much there is we don’t/won’t eat.

    Plenty we don’t grow because it’s cheaper to import.

    Don’t know what happened about ‘end of free movement means we won’t get enough pickers’.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  5. wingpig
    Member

    Bogroll a bit light on the shelves of Duke St Tesco yestereve. Got a lettuce without any issues. Already have plenty of flour and yeast in the cupboard this time.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  6. steveo
    Member

    looks like a new scapegoat has been highlighted. New covid strain spreads easier in kids. So new problem is schools, not the (apparently) huge numbers of people fleeing the capital or the people at the pub etc.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55406939

    I really wish I had access to the data and knew enough to interpret it so I could separate the political messing around, the fud, the media and armchair virology from the actual information and actually trust anything that is produced on this situation at the moment.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    "actually trust anything that is produced on this situation at the moment."

    Impossible. Far too much disinformation just now. Mostly designed to "nudge" South East Englandshire and Londinium into accepting and complying with Lockdown 3.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. wingpig
    Member

    @steveo I'll send you another thread from another virologist...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    I believe I predicted we would be labelled Plague Island some time ago. And lo, it came to pass...

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/dec/22/worlds-media-ask-how-it-went-so-wrong-for-plague-island-britain-covid

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. neddie
    Member

    Would be better if it stopped, and we ate more locally, and seasonally. There's plenty food in the country already, we just choose not to eat it.

    Agree with this. Huge quantities of seafood are shipped from Scotland to the continent because it's "not to our taste"

    Like lobster, crab, mussels, scallops (St Jacques), langoustines*, squid, pollock, mackerel, etc, etc.

    *Langoustines (known and consumed here as 'scampi') are often shipped abroad to be de-shelled as they are a complete pig to get the meat out of.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  11. acsimpson
    Member

    I've heard tales in the past of scampi being caught in Scotland frozen, shipped to asia to be processed, refrozen and shipped back to the UK to be sold as "Scottish". I don't know if it still happens but it wouldn't surprise me.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. steveo
    Member

    Thanks @wingpig thats reassuring. (again)

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I love lobster but it can be genuinely hard to get hold of. Once had a fishmonger ask how I knew he had them under a sack in the back.

    Be interesting to see if the creel fishers go bust or find a local Great British market.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. chdot
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  16. crowriver
    Member

    "lobster, crab, mussels, scallops (St Jacques), langoustines*, squid, pollock, mackerel"

    I'm not keen on lobster, crab or scallops but I'll happily eat the rest on that list.

    The reason why our seafood gets sold in the EU is presumably because they can sell greater volume, and maybe get a better price too.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  17. Baldcyclist
    Member

  18. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    ‘Nicola Sturgeon broke Covid rules at funeral’

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55419564

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    NHS leaders have called on Boris Johnson to extend the Brexit transition period by a month, telling the prime minister that a no-deal exit could risk the health of patients during the Covid-19 crisis.

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/dec/23/nhs-chiefs-urge-pm-to-extend-brexit-transition-by-a-month

    Posted 4 years ago #
  20. chdot
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  21. chdot
    Admin

  22. SRD
    Moderator

    from the Guardian live blog:

    The treasury has announced an additional 800 million in coronavirus funding to UK devolved nations, reports PA.

    The fund will be split into 400 million for the Scottish government, 200 million for the Welsh government and 200 million for the Northern Ireland Executive.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    Not Covid, but relevant -

    Experts fear a push to cut the UK’s aid budget will slash spending on global health research, handicapping international public-private programmes that have helped combat the world’s deadliest diseases over the last decade.

    In a letter addressed to the foreign secretary, Dominic Raab, last week, prominent parliamentarians sought reassurance that the planned cuts would not lead to “dramatic reductions” in investment for devastating diseases such as tuberculosis, malaria, Aids and a clutch of neglected tropical diseases.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/dec/23/fears-uk-aid-cuts-could-undermine-research-deadliest-diseases

    Posted 4 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

  25. chdot
    Admin

  26. crowriver
    Member

    If I were to rely on anecdatal evidence from my localité alone, I would make the following suppositions based on the observation that fully one quarter of on-street vehicle dumping sites have been entirely vacant since Xmas Eve and ongoing.

    1. Our area has a bigger commuter vehicle abandonment issue than previously anticipated.
    2. A substantial minority of the local population are "key workers" who require to be on duty, on site over the entirety of Festivus.
    3. A number of residents are keen on using their vehicles for "essential" shopping even on Xmastide.
    4. Quite a few locals are blatantly and wilfully disregarding the Coronavirus regulations and have * off to somewhere outwith the council area for a seasonal break.
    5. All of the above.

    P.S.:- For evidence of (4) above I cite the absence of normally discarded and stationary camper vans, motorhomes and even a caravan owned (presumably) by residents of the area.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  27. SRD
    Moderator

    Not disagreeing with you, but on Christmas Day, we had exactly opposite thoughts about our neighbourhood. The streets were much busier than normal, suggesting to me that fewer people have left the city over holidays than usual. We also noticed that while there were people like us, out for a walk; groups of people meeting outdoors to exchange gifts, and people loading cars/kids and/or arriving to spend a few hours with family, but not staying overnight. So, our sense was that people were mostly taking rules seriously.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  28. crowriver
    Member

    Not disagreeing with you either. However it does appear that a sizeable minority are doing something other than staying at home, unless they really are all commuters, which I suspect is unlikely. This is an area usually rife with double-parked vehicles at all hours of the day or night, seven days per week. Indeed it was thus until Xmas Eve.

    I will refresh the anecdata report in a few days to see if any trends are observable.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  29. crowriver
    Member

    Thinking on it more, perhaps I underestimated the commuter vehicle dumping impact on the area. Large number of "non-essential" retail premises nearby, and we are just beyond the outer edge of the CPZ. So I can imagine quite a number of shop owners, retail workers and a few customers abandon their vehicles in our street.

    Still doesn't explain the recreational vehicles disappearing though...

    In related developments, a downstairs neighbour reappeared yesterday after an absence of several days. AFAIK they don't have a car. Maybe they were visiting their support bubble within the CEC boundaries, none of my business really. Another neighbour on the first floor has not been seen for well over a week. They hail originally from Aberdeen, and have a car. Maybe they're stuck in another country due to the borders closing and cancelled flights?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  30. dessert rat
    Member

    dozens of couples and families taking their roller luggage out for a walk this morning on George / Queen / Thistle Streets etc.... Tier 4 optional I guess.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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