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  1. acsimpson
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    "Last year saw the largest increase in UK deaths in a single year since 1940, according to provisional ONS figures"

    So that's more than The Blitz during WW2, then.

    I assume the media is using this blog post: https://blog.ons.gov.uk/2021/01/12/counting-deaths-involving-coronavirus-a-year-in-review/
    Which clearly states that it's the largest year on year increase since 1940. The later was years would therefore have been working off the higher 1940 baseline.

    However the ONS blog post states that they don't hold details of overseas military deaths and this page states 1940's peak was caused by rising infant mortality: (https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/livebirths/articles/trendsinbirthsanddeathsoverthelastcentury/2015-07-15).

    Meanwhile google suggests the blitz killed about 43,000 civilians in the 12 months from mid 1940 so relative to Covid-19 it was a fairly minor increase in the numbers.

    Today's blog post has some other figures I find interesting too. 2020 was only the second year on record with over 600,000 deaths. The previous one being 1918, although the population was only half current levels back then.

    Also of note is taking into account age and population size 2020 was only the worst year for deaths in just over a decade (since 2008).

    That last figure appears to suggest that as a population we have been enjoying a boom of longevity lately.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. minus six
    Member

    boomers and their longevity, eh

    it'll be the death of 'em

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. gembo
    Member

    @bax and we are still paying for them and their sense of entitlement.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. crowriver
    Member

    @acsimpson, yes as a proportion of a larger population Covid may not be as large as the Blitz, even though more civilians have died in absolute terms.*

    I deliberately did not invoke military or overseas deaths as the totals outwith the UK in 1940 would have been staggering. Deaths in China alone that year must have been huge, and of course Germany was invading Western Europe at the time.

    *- Actually I crunched the numbers and during 2020 Covid killed more people in both absolute and relative terms than the Blitz did in its entirety. A bit grim really.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. acsimpson
    Member

    @Crowriver, very grim. Almost 4 times the death in a calendar year than the blitz. The population has gone up 50% in that time but Covid is still significantly worse.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. steveo
    Member

    Good news for Amazon...

    The availability and operation of click and collect services will be limited to retailers selling essential items such as clothes, footwear, baby equipment, homeware and books.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55649853

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    Couple of things in the new, stricter guidance made me chuckle. For example:

    "Travelling for the purposes of undertaking essential work on a property other than your main residence should not be used as a pretext for a holiday. You should not stay longer than for the length of time required to undertake the necessary work"

    Must be a massive number of chancers pushing the regs to the limit for that particular guidance to have been included...

    https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/

    Also in the Beebly article but not (yet) in the guidance:

    'The amendment will make it clear that people "must not leave or remain outside" the home unless it is for an essential purpose.'

    So no camping/bivvying folks (neither piling in the camper van), no picnics either, soon to be law it seems...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "There have now been more deaths in the second wave than the first, says Public Health England"

    And even worse, as previously stated by Prof Witty et al a number of times, is that they expect more deaths on the way down than on the way up. We are only at the peak now, this is going to be a terrible terrible winter.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-55643842

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. Baldcyclist
    Member

    27000 people in Scotland who tested +ve for Covid were given a code to input into the Protect Scotland App.

    Less than 12000 entered the code according to BBC Scotland news.

    Why are people not entering the code? Astonishing disregard for other peoples lives!

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-55644606

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. crowriver
    Member

    "Why are people not entering the code? Astonishing disregard for other peoples lives!"

    Maybe too complicated? Not tech savvy? Ashamed and hiding?

    It's all abstract for me as none of my smart phones run a new enough OS to run the darn app in the first place...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. acsimpson
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    @crowriver, not using the app would be my primary guess at the reason.

    I wonder what percentage of the population are now using it.

    I also wonder what the ven diagram looks like in the group of those who don't take any precautionary measures/ignore the regulations/end up with the virus and don't use the app is.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. crowriver
    Member

    @acsimpson, you mean they downloaded it and never opened it or allowed alerts? Or like me they never downloaded it in the first place?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. Baldcyclist
    Member

    The article refers to 'app users' and so it is people who have downloaded the app. As far as I'm aware the code was delivered via the app - certainly the results for NHS Covid tests are (private aren't)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. acsimpson
    Member

    I find it very odd that an app which tells you your result wouldn't also trigger the positive test functionality of the app. If that's the case it's possible people are assuming the trigger is automatic.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. boothym
    Member

    @crowriver just FYI the legislation you copy-pasted a couple of pages ago is from March 2020. The latest English legislation is here: https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/1374/contents with the bit about tier 4 restrictions on movement in Schedule 3A.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. crowriver
    Member

    @boothym, thanks for that.

    The relevant section says:

    ---

    PART 1
    Restrictions on movement
    Restrictions on leaving home

    No person who lives in the Tier 4 area may leave or be outside of the place where they are living without reasonable excuse.
    ---

    Then the section on exceptions:

    ---

    Exceptions: leaving home
    2.—(1) These are the exceptions referred to in paragraph 1.
    Exception 1: leaving home necessary for certain purposes
    (2) Exception 1 is that it is reasonably necessary for the person concerned (“P”) to leave or be outside the place where P is living (“P’s home”)—
    (a)
    to buy goods or obtain services from any business or service listed in [F3paragraph 17], for—
    (i)
    P or for those in the same household,
    (ii)
    vulnerable persons [F4or persons who have a disability], or
    (iii)
    persons in the same household as a vulnerable person [F5or a person who has a disability];
    (b)
    to obtain money from or deposit money with any business listed in paragraph 17(k) or (l) of this Schedule;
    (c)
    to take exercise outside—
    (i)
    alone,
    (ii)
    with—
    (aa)
    one or more members of their household, their linked household, or
    (bb)
    where exercise is being taken as part of providing informal childcare for a child aged 13 or under, one or more members of their linked childcare household, or
    (iii)
    in a public outdoor place, with one other person who is not a member of their household, their linked household or their linked childcare household,

    ----

    Still not saying that there's a exception for travelling somewhere else to exercise...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

  18. crowriver
    Member

    Coronavirus: British tourist blamed for Lauberhorn ski race cancellation

    A British tourist has been blamed for a spike in coronavirus cases that led officials to cancel Switzerland's famous Lauberhorn ski race. The resort of Wengen, where the race is held, had recorded only 10 cases of the virus by mid-December. But the number soon began to rise and many cases have since been linked to the new highly infectious variant of Covid-19 first identified in the UK. At least 27 cases are connected to one British tourist, contact tracers say. The tourist stayed in a hotel in Wengen over the holiday period.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-55645396

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. chdot
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  21. jss
    Member

    Re App:
    Why have Scottish Gov restricted their app only to those fortunate to have the very latest phones
    I would like to down load it but I can’t on an iPhone 6 and not prepared to fork out several hundred quid for a new one just to get this when the phone works fine for everything else
    I suppose the Holyrood clique just assume we all have the latest stuff like they do

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. steveo
    Member

    More likely the Bluetooth protocols being used are more modern than those on older models.

    Isn't the Scottish app just a layer over the tracking software developed by Apple and Google?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. chdot
    Admin

    UK heads for double-dip recession as GDP falls 2.6%

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/15/uk-heads-for-double-dip-recession-as-gdp-falls-26

    I’m just surprised it’s not a lot more.

    Perhaps furlough money is being counted as business turnover/income?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. chdot
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  27. Baldcyclist
    Member

    All travel corridors to UK to close from Monday.

    Only a year rule 2 late...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-55681861

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. minus six
    Member

  29. gembo
    Member

    AIDS is a result of human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) the writer who is a science journalist says AIDS virus. I do not like that.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. minus six
    Member

    agreed on the terminology, gembo-san

    sub-ed aside, its pulitzer / lancet content

    Posted 3 years ago #

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