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  1. LaidBack
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    @iwrats - just showed that to Mrs LB. She wonders if reverse is true!?

    Meanwhile Linda Bauld, Professor of Public Health is mystified. She thinks that cross border infection is a big risk and that anyone arriving on the islands should go into a hotel. ScotGov not commented. So only one family are in hotel after flying into Edinburgh from Istanbul. This other family came via common travel area which includes Dublin.

    The first international travellers to go into one of Scotland's quarantine hotels have been told they can leave after a day because of a loophole.

    Since Monday, all passengers arriving in Scotland on international flights have to enter "managed isolation".

    However, this does not apply to those coming from within the Common Travel Area, including the UK and Ireland.

    The passengers were told that since they arrived from the US via Ireland, they could instead isolate at home.

    On Monday, Chun Wong and his daughter flew into Scotland from the United States via Dublin, and went straight to a hotel at Edinburgh Airport.

    Mr Wong told BBC Scotland that on Monday night officials told them a mistake had been made and the pair could self-isolate at home in Fife.

    From BBC

    Posted 4 years ago #
  2. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @LaidBack

    Don't be silly. Only men have the excuse of murderous weakness. Women are sly schemers.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    A lot being made of rUK only quarantining 33 high risk countries by ScotGov but the case in the media shows the more serious loophole is through the Republic of Ireland? Currently only hotel quarantining arrivals from Brazil & S Africa and will be 2 weeks or so before another 18 countries are added to their list.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. chdot
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    Don’t know how this is ‘essential travel’ or ‘local exercise’.

    Nice pix though.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/gallery/2021/feb/16/canoeing-along-scotlands-union-canal-in-pictures

    Posted 4 years ago #
  5. chdot
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  6. LaidBack
    Member

    @iwrats "Women are sly schemers." Mrs LB just smiled at that comment and won't back to reading yet another 'perfect murder' trilogy!

    The common travel area argument is odd. Does this mean if the family that had flown into Edinburgh from Turkey had taken an onward flight to Dublin then they would subject to the least amount of quarantine of any country in the CTA. Surely laws passed in an independent jurisdiction on a pandemic usurp this? Otherwise if Dublin was putting everyone in airport hotels they could not control onward arrivals from UK airports.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    @LB I don't know what the rules are for transit passengers. May be a moot point - EDI is only due to have 2 incoming flights today, only one international (from Doha). GLA has no international flights, some domestic (Hebrides etc). Aberdeen appears to have a departure to Ivory Coast - presumably oil related.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. amir
    Member

    Sorry if this has been covered before (work very busy so not able to keep up):
    https://www.qmu.ac.uk/news-and-events/nhs-covid-19-drive-through-vaccination-centre-at-queen-margaret-university/

    Drive through - so not allowed to walk or cycle through? Presumably the same for some test sites?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    Similar issue during the flu vaccine drive in the autumn. Drive-thru vaccination clinics opened first, no information on walk-up clinics. I contacted NHS Lothian about it several times. Eventually information went up on GP practice web site about walk-up vaccination, IIRC it opened over a month after the drive-thru clinic.

    In the Lothians proles without cars have to wait for protection against life threatening illness, it would seem.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    EICc is invite only but walk up

    Posted 4 years ago #
  11. crowriver
    Member

    Flu vaccine was invite only too. It's just that drive-thru was set up first, a month before walk-up.

    I've heard from folk who were vaccinated in the community clinic in Leith, so maybe the approach in Edinburgh is different this time around.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. gembo
    Member

    I have an elderly relative in East Linton heading to EICC this week

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    Contact tracing alone has a marginal impact on Covid transmission, curbing the spread of the disease by just 2% to 5%, official estimates show.

    The figures come after Dido Harding, who heads the UK government’s £22bn test and trace programme, suggested it was set to substantially reduce the spread of coronavirus this spring.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/16/contact-tracing-alone-has-little-impact-on-curbing-covid-spread-report-finds

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. chdot
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    A “perfect storm” of low wages, cramped housing and failures of the £22bn test-and-trace scheme has led to “stubbornly high” coronavirus rates in England’s most deprived communities, an unpublished government report has found.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/17/englands-poorest-areas-hit-by-covid-perfect-storm-leaked-report

    Posted 4 years ago #
  15. chdot
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  17. chdot
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  18. crowriver
    Member

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    Covid in Scotland: Research says women more likely to follow rules

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-56098354

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    No disrespect to the researchers, but their results are based on answers to a questionnaire survey.

    So, it could be possible to modify the headline to the following and be equally plausible:

    Covid in Scotland: Research says women less likely to admit to strangers they don't follow rules

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

  20. minus six
    Member

    Covid in Scotland: Research says women less likely to admit to strangers they don't follow rules

    reminds me of a study of hospitalised covids where 90% said they always followed the rules and wore a mask at all times prior to catching the virus.. later this stat was used to "prove" that masks and lockdown don't work

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. crowriver
    Member

    "masks and lockdown don't work"

    Well they don't if folk "bend" the rules, or "forget" them, or follow them "except that one time", etc.

    None of which they are likely to admit to a stranger, for fear of disapproval.

    Or even just folk don't understand the rules, and think they're following them, but they're doing it wrong.

    Or some combination of all the above.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    For example I see the two metre distance rule being broken on a regular basis in shops or on the street.

    Sometimes that is unavoidable/accidental, but quite often seems to be the result of either impatience, or unwillingness to give way to another person. In a minority of cases it's just blatant disregard (e.g. standing around chatting with friends).

    Posted 4 years ago #
  23. minus six
    Member

    None of which they are likely to admit to a stranger, for fear of disapproval

    sure.. and in the example i cite, the added twist of ticking boxes while lying in a hospital bed, fearing you might get second class care if you admit that you just didn't bother your erse

    Posted 4 years ago #
  24. chdot
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  25. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    “Covid-19: Thousands of unwanted vehicles stored at Rockingham”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-56104281

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. crowriver
    Member

    @bax, worth reposting this gem.

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    Forth Valley Royal Hospital: Covid patients did not believe virus was real

    “The reasons for it getting worse I think I can only assume that people weren’t following the guidelines."

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19053261.forth-valley-royal-hospital-covid-patients-not-believe-virus-real/

    Posted 4 years ago #
  27. Cyclingmollie
    Member

    The only person I know personally who has caught the virus claimed the threat was exaggerated, thought masks were a waste of time and had a grand time during eat out to help out. Her husband, who has an underlying health condition, also caught it.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  28. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    a grand time during eat out to help out

    I wonder if that scheme will be airbrushed from history. Absolutely mental.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    “I wonder if that scheme will be airbrushed from history“

    Probably not, sections of the hospitality industry want it to be repeated.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  30. acsimpson
    Member

    Did eat out to help out cause a large spike in cases? If we hadn't allowed it to be reseeded into our population from overseas we might have a very different view of it.

    Posted 4 years ago #

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