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  1. crowriver
    Member

    Aye, folk will have the dates circled in their calendars. Planning Easter hols, organising weddings and parties, booking summer breaks in Greece, etc.

    Sturgeon claims the Scottish approach (TBA tomorrow) will be "cautious" but I don't see how she'll be able to stop many thousands of English people coming up here at Easter. I would say head for the hills but they'll be there too...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. chdot
    Admin

    Prominent voices – including that of the health secretary – have told us that Covid-19 will become a seasonal infection, much like flu. But our public health approach should be more akin to measles. The UK should be aiming to suppress and eliminate Covid-19 through vaccines, mass testing and supported isolation. After we’ve achieved this, the UK should then help poorer countries in their vaccination efforts.

    Unlike the early days of the pandemic, you will now find very few people advocating for the uncontrolled spread of Covid-19 (the so-called “herd immunity” approach). The real shame is that such voices ever had any influence over the government’s pandemic response. Over the past 12 months, Britain has lost almost 130,000 lives to Covid-19. Had the government pursued a zero-Covid approach from the start, following the example of countries like Australia, far fewer people would have died.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/22/england-covid-roadmap-lockdown-experts-view

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. crowriver
    Member

    Holiday bookings surge following lockdown exit plans

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56161129

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    Martin Coppack, Fair by Design’s director, said: “Covid-19 has thrown a light on links between insecure work, low incomes, and protected characteristics. But, even before the pandemic, some people were paying more for life’s essentials because of who they are, where they can afford to live, and the options they have when they have to pay for things.

    “To level up our communities, regulators and policymakers should work together to make sure people on low incomes can access the products and services they need at a price they can afford.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/feb/23/bame-britons-more-likely-to-face-higher-living-costs-study-finds

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. chdot
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  6. crowriver
    Member

    So basically Scotland doing things slightly more cautiously than England - especially staggering the return of children to school - but otherwise exactly one week later on most measures.

    Return to Levels system as widely trailed in the media, from end of April. Meaning that Edinburgh might be in a lower level than Glasgow? Would the FM survive such an affront to the Westies?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-scotland-56154389

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. crowriver
    Member

    Here's the skinny. I can't wait for the alien ant overlords to take over!

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    Phase 1 (yesterday) early learning and childcare and schools open for Primary 1-3 pupils and senior phase pupils for essential practical work. Limited increase in the provision for vulnerable children. Care homes opening to facilitate meaningful contact between relatives/ friends and residents.

    Phase 2 (unlikely before 15 March) - More school reopening - Non-contact outdoor group sports for 12-17 year olds. Socialising rules eased, to allow outdoor meetings of 4 people from 2 households.

    Phase 3 - (at least three weeks later - possibly 5 April) Stay-at-Home requirement removed. Third and final phase of schools reopening if required. Places of worship can open on a restricted numbers basis. Essential retailers list expanded slightly and click-and-collect resumes for non-essential retail.

    Phase 4 - possibly 26 April) Limited other easing within Level 4, including permitting non-essential work in people’s homes. Return to variable Levels approach. This will enable the graduated opening up of economic and social activity.

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    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. crowriver
    Member

    I can foresee a clash between England losing Stay At Home just before Easter, and Scotland losing it just after (literally Easter Monday).

    Easter Break staycationers heading north from 29th to find everything still closed?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    (For those that didn't get the cult film reference earlier)

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  10. gembo
    Member

    Trying to manage this to more freedom after Easter hols. Will depend on weather. If sunny it will be taps aff.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    staycationers heading north

    Correction, Clarification, Erratum: Staycationers stay. They do not head.

    Thank you.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. steveo
    Member

    So when can I go to the park and get drunk and burn the grass and upset the local people?

    More importantly any indication in all of that if I can get a camp away from everyone?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. bill
    Member

    "Staycationers stay. They do not head."

    @IWARTS I am with you on that. Since when do "holidays" mean going abroad for pleasure?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @bill

    I am permanently abroad. Holy days should be observed of course, such as Tłusty Czwartek and Maidyozarem Gahanbar.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. gembo
    Member

    I have seen the definition of staycation crack fora.

    Stay within driving distance of home rather than catch a plane to Spain definition

    Or stay in your own garden definition?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. crowriver
    Member

    @IWRATS, I agree with your strict definition, that is what we practice. Stay at home, do day trips.

    However HMG UK of GB&NI definition appears to be different/exceptionalist, i.e. Staycation is one where you don't get on a plane to somewhere forrin and 'ot. Instead packing the campervan or SUV with 'oliday stuff, supermarché food supplies, and head off to somewhere else in the UK, usually the seaside, country cottage or city break. As in "Staying in the UK".

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. crowriver
    Member

    @gembo, "Stay within driving distance of home"

    This is the one chancers go for. As in driving 700 miles from Londinium to Assynt for a "Staycation". Then jaunting round the North Coast 500, doing some "wild camping" by the side of the road.

    Official HMG phrase appears to be "Staycations within the UK" (as opposed to, say "Staycation" in the second house in rural France/Spain/Italy/Bulgaria/Bahamas) so PM coming down on side of chancers - Quelle surprise!

    EDIT ADDENDUM/CORRECTION: According to Beebly web site. HMG definition is total Chancer of the Exchequer stylee.

    "UK "staycations" away from home permitted, with self-contained accommodation able to reopen for use by members of the same household"

    So expect the campervan and AirBnB massive to descend upon Scotlandshire from (no earlier than) 29 March/12 April. Basically the spring will be a nightmare until the chancers get on flights to sun, sea and sand in July/August.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. gembo
    Member

    Think eye watering prices being sought by cotswold cottage# etc to make up for year of lost business

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    "Staying in the UK"

    Scotland urged to staycate. Be a laugh. Strip off. Have a beer. Swim in the river.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. minus six
    Member

    i need a holiday, i've not been well
    take me to the brocade river hotel

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  21. crowriver
    Member

    Brocade River is in China, so I believe the song refers to the Cultural Revolution. Always liked the song but never looked at in detail until now.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. crowriver
    Member

    @steveo, my reading according to your criteria:

    - drunken grass burning with mates from 15 March (mebbe a bit too parky like)

    - camp wherever you like from 5 April

    At your own risk of course, allegedly we'll still be in Level 4 until May but I doubt PC McCopper could be ersed to fine you for being a wee dancer.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. crowriver
    Member

    @gembo

    https://www.taps-aff.co.uk

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. crowriver
    Member

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    In contrast with Boris Johnson's approach for England, Nicola Sturgeon's statement at Holyrood was not a route map to a late summer of socialising, concerts, sports and travel. The plan is far more cautious. Nicola Sturgeon's idea of release, maybe by late April, is to get through the doors of a restaurant or bar. Both leaders had said they were putting data ahead of dates, but it was the prime minister's dates that the public notice, remember and plan on. Travel bookings soared on Monday and Tuesday.

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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56171699

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. chdot
    Admin

  26. chdot
    Admin

    Be 'muscular' and drive green recovery, Cameron tells Johnson

    Free market can be overruled if necessary to create post-Covid growth, ex-PM advises former rival

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/24/be-muscular-and-drive-green-recovery-cameron-tells-johnson

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. steveo
    Member

    At your own risk of course, allegedly we'll still be in Level 4 until May but I doubt PC McCopper could be ersed to fine you for being a wee dancer.

    cheers @crowriver.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    MPs have criticised a project by academics that involved sending emails from fictitious constituents claiming they were concerned about financial support during the coronavirus lockdown.

    Researchers at King’s College London (KCL) and the London School of Economics (LSE) sent emails to every MP’s inbox from invented characters including a cleaner and lawyer.

    Copies of messages seen by the Guardian showed the purported senders – who signed themselves off with names including Paul, Thomas and Maryam – wrote that they worked for large companies but were “worried about the long term” and saw “people all around me who are losing jobs or experiencing pay cuts”.

    ...

    The Unite union’s parliamentary staffer branch said workers “do not deserve to be treated as guinea pigs in some time and motion study on top of that”. The MPs’ staff branch of the GMB union sent a letter to KCL calling the project “ethically dubious”.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/24/mps-criticise-academics-for-sending-them-fictitious-emails-for-research

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. SRD
    Moderator

    how could they not know that addresses were required if writing to an MP?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. crowriver
    Member

    How did this "research" project get past their institutions' ethics committees?

    Posted 3 years ago #

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