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  1. chdot
    Admin

    “How likely is it that no-one involved in developing, testing and approving vaccines and the wider public health response has thought about the longer term impact of a mass immunisation programme?“

    Indeed

    There maybe some unexpected consequences and, unfortunately, long Covid is not only real, but probably significantly un/der diagnosed so far.

    But, generally., vaccines seem to be better than anticipated and the (UK wide) programme going remarkably well.

    Just don’t believe it was organised by Boris...

    Posted 4 years ago #

  2. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/07/covid-data-show-sewage-monitoring-could-be-vital-in-infection-control

    Posted 4 years ago #

  3. gembo
    Member

    Stevie Gerrard is going to have to tell the Gers Fans to CHHHAAAAHLM DOWN If Glasgow is to avoid lockdown at the old firm derby this coming weekend.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  4. chdot
    Admin

    “If“

    Too late?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  5. crowriver
    Member

    Judging by the mood music on social media, most Glesca folk that were not jumping up and down in George Square last night are claiming to feel like "mugs" for following the rules.

    There's a real risk that "lockdown" is well and truly over by default in the western regions, and there'll be mass non-compliance with the rules on the basis of "well if they can get away with it, so can I".

    Which is really what we don't need right now...

    Posted 4 years ago #

  6. gembo
    Member

    Edinburgh down to 48 cases per 100,000?

    I can see levels coming straight back at us

    Posted 4 years ago #

  7. chdot
    Admin

    Why there’s so much traffic -

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    because the city is now a donut with low wages in the town centre bringing in people from outlying district's. People living in Edinburgh work at high value jobs on the outside. Its a complete mess. Is what happens when you change a city into a theme park

    “

    https://mobile.twitter.com/MarkTho115689/status/1368902336043745290

    Some truth in that. Though I expect some of the jobs are there because of the ‘theme park’.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  8. crowriver
    Member

    Hm, but if the city is a "theme park" (some truth to this) then nobody lives in the centre (increasingly true) and therefore they will not be commuting to "high value jobs on the outside".

    Or is the whole "theme park" thing being overplayed here? Maybe the very central areas have become that to a large extent, but you don't have to go far to find a living city.

    I'm not convinced folk will drive in from outlying areas for "low wages in the town centre" either. They won't be able to afford to park their vehicles in the CPZ...

    Some weird conflation of "low wages" and wealthier folk in the "town centre" here. Unless they mean the New Town? Do people that live in the New Town work in actual jobs?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  9. chdot
    Admin

    “Do people that live in the New Town work in actual jobs?“

    Can’t all be retired/private income!

    Some CCEers with jobs DO live in NT.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  10. Frenchy
    Member

    Census data on where folk live/work is mapped here: https://scotlandcommute.datashine.org.uk/#mode=allflows&direction=from&area=S02001656&zoom=14&lon=-3.2175&lat=55.9481

    Posted 4 years ago #

  11. chrisfl
    Member

    Also lots of offices in town, my own office moved from Edinburgh Park to Haymarket (just at the start of 2020....), one of the parameters for the office was to be 5 minutes from a station.

    But there is a fairly decent cluster of offices around Haymarket Yards. Then there is the cluster around the EICC/Scottish Widows/Exchange Crescent, I could go on.

    I do have a friend who lives on Eyre Crescent and works at Tanfield Place.

    The data is now getting old but - https://scotlandcommute.datashine.org.uk/#mode=allflows&direction=to&area=S02001656&zoom=14&lon=-3.2136&lat=55.9511

    Shows 85 people living and working in "New Town West" and top of the list is Stockbridge, Deans Villagem Cannonmills and then The Shorre and Constiution Street

    When the next Census is run it'll be really interesting to see how this has changed.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  12. crowriver
    Member

    "Can’t all be retired/private income!"

    Not all, no. But quite a large number/proportion.

    Nearly 3,400 population in New Town West apparently (Census data?). Of which relatively few appear in the Datashine figures, maybe a third of that total or less. Quite a few of those do not commute at all (nearly 400 WFH). In comparison, the working age population in Scotland estimated at around 50% of the total. Which leaves a good chunk of the population of New Town West who are of working age, but don't work, and perhaps also a larger proportion of older people who are retired. Doubtless there is a breakdown available somewhere...

    Posted 4 years ago #

  13. crowriver
    Member

    ---

    Politicians urged to listen to Edinburgh's school teachers about 'enormous strain' ahead of pupil return

    A teacher’s union has warned that Edinburgh politicians need to ‘listen to school leaders’ about the ‘enormous strain’ teachers are facing, ahead of a return to schools next week.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/education/politicians-urged-to-listen-to-edinburghs-school-teachers-about-enormous-strain-ahead-of-pupil-return-3159553

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    Posted 4 years ago #

  14. chdot
    Admin

    “

    2:30pm

    Scots will be able to meet in bigger groups from Friday, Nicola Sturgeon has said.

    The First Minister said four people from two households will now be able to meet outdoors from Friday.

    For children aged between 12 and 17, outdoor meetings will also be limited to four people, but these can be from up to four households.

    The First Minister also said that while travel restrictions cannot be lifted for adults, they will be eased slightly for children taking part in sport where their club may be “a bit outside” their council area.

    Outdoor, non-contact sports for adults in groups of up to 15 will also be able to start again from Friday, Ms Sturgeon said.

    “

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19145838.nicola-sturgeon-update-live-outdoor-meet-up-rule-change-expected-today/

    Posted 4 years ago #

  15. chdot
    Admin

    “

    Covid-19 The Jump

    Episode 1 of 3

    Chris van Tulleken explores the human behaviours causing pandemics, paying the price for getting too close to animals by degrading their territory and allowing viruses to jump. What's clear is that Covid-19 was inevitable; that a coronavirus would jump in Asia was predicted in at least 3 papers in early 2019. It's a symptom of degraded ecosystems leading to intimate contact with animals we don't normally encounter.

    “

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000symp

    Posted 4 years ago #

  16. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/10/no-evidence-22bn-test-and-trace-scheme-cut-covid-rates-in-england-say-mps

    Yeah that’s POUNDS.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  17. chdot
    Admin

    “

    Transport secretary Grant Shapps said: “As we build back better from Covid, it is more important than ever that we level-up every corner of our great country.

    “Quality transport infrastructure is key to achieving that, which is why we are committed to boosting connectivity and bringing communities across the UK even closer together.”

    The UK Government has promised to work closely with the devolved administrations on development studies, such as with the Scottish Government on any feasibility study on the A75.

    “

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/boris-johnson-to-announce-plans-to-upgrade-scottish-port-route-and-cut-uk-air-passenger-duty-3160204

    Posted 4 years ago #

  18. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/mar/12/no-10-plague-pit-how-covid-brought-westminster-to-its-knees

    Posted 4 years ago #

  19. chdot
    Admin

    Not much to worry about then?

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    First of all, it’s normal to be anxious when there’s such a big change for us as a society. I think the last time there was something similar was post-9/11 when people had to adjust to using transport at a time when people were anxious about that.

    The “re-entry” syndrome people might be experiencing as lockdown ends is part of a healthy readjustment and something that people have to deal with when they’ve been off sick or on maternity leave for long periods.

    “

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/13/covid-take-things-slowly-lockdown-ends-avoid-re-entry-syndrome

    Posted 4 years ago #

  20. crowriver
    Member

    File under "somewhat misleading headline'?

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    Covid in Scotland: 'Life could be normal by mid-June'

    A leading public health expert has said much of our lives could return to normal as early as mid-June. Prof Linda Bauld says she is "very optimistic" most restrictions will be lifted, including many of the social distancing requirements.

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    Except not that normal:

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    Prof Bauld warned international travel and mass gatherings were unlikely this summer but feels the data is heading in the right direction.

    Scotland's national clinical director Prof Jason Leitch agreed the numbers were "looking good".

    "By the summer quite a lot of the things that are shut will be open but we will all still behave slightly differently. That will depend on transmission from the virus. It will depend on vaccination numbers."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56378637

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    So basically you'll be able to have a pint in a pub, get your hair cut, or buy some non-essential fripperies. Other stuff, not so much.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  21. chdot
    Admin

    “So basically you'll be able to have a pint in a pub, get your hair cut, or buy some non-essential fripperies.“

    That’ll suit most people!

    Posted 4 years ago #

  22. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/14/uk-covid-vaccine-strategy-will-unravel-unless-inequalities-addressed-say-experts

    Posted 4 years ago #

  23. crowriver
    Member

    One of the more unexpected things to happen during the pandemic is that nightclub owners have apparently become experts on public health policy. Amazing really when you think about it.

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    Covid in Scotland: Hospitality leaders urge levels rethink

    Hospitality leaders have urged the Scottish government to change its Covid lockdown levels to stop businesses failing. An industry group has submitted its own version of the system to ministers. The document, seen by the BBC, urges ministers to mirror the plans for England - extending opening times and naming dates.

    [...chairman of Night Time Industries Association Scotland and owner of Glasgow's Sub Club] Michael Grieve added: "The positive impact of adopting our proposed plan are huge for relatively minor tweaks. We're not going to achieve zero Covid. We need to accept that Covid is in society. So, with vaccination being rolled out... we see no reason why in parallel indicative dates can't be put in place to give the industry some hope that we can reopen and that life can start to return to some kind of normal."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-56391969

    Posted 4 years ago #

  24. gembo
    Member

    I have some sympathy, oh wait, stand in long queue, wait until you get to the door, Sorry not tonight mate. That was my experience of the Sub Club. I was in it once and whilst the people were very beautiful they did not like to perspire when dancing.

    Posted 4 years ago #

  25. amir
    Member

    On the blood clot issue:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/15/evidence-oxford-vaccine-blood-clots-data-causal-links

    Posted 4 years ago #

  26. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/nicola-sturgeon-today-what-time-is-fm-making-scotland-lockdown-update-and-what-could-she-announce-3166623

    Posted 4 years ago #

  27. chdot
    Admin

    “

    Scottish Conservative leader Douglas Ross has called for the “full plan” to be published.

    He said at his conference speech: “We expect a roadmap that tells everyone to get ready – because we’re getting our normal lives back.

    “

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/coronavirus-in-scotland-nicola-sturgeon-to-set-out-dates-for-end-of-stay-at-home-rule-and-reopening-of-hospitality-and-retail-3167148

    Or should that be in the Election thread?

    Posted 4 years ago #

  28. chdot
    Admin

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    From May 17:

    Indoor hospitality with alcohol will be possible.

    Adult outdoor contact sport can go ahead.

    Cinemas can reopen

    “

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19162958.nicola-sturgeon-lockdown-latest-covid-rule-easing-dates-revealed/

    Posted 4 years ago #

  29. chdot
    Admin

    “

    April 26
    The extending of outdoor socialising to permit six people from up to three households to gather.

    Outdoor hospitality, like beer gardens, can reopen until 10pm with alcohol permitted.

    Indoor hospitality is permitted, without alcohol, closing at 8pm.

    Travel within all mainland Scotland is also set to be allowed at this point, with tourist accommodation set to re-open.

    Gyms can also reopen at this stage, as well as driving lessons.

    Weddings and funerals can hold up to 50 people (including wakes and receptions with no alcohol permitted).

    Libraries, museums and galleries can reopen.

    “

    https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/19164148.nicola-sturgeon-lockdown-update-dates-reopening-pubs-hairdressers-gyms

    Posted 4 years ago #

  30. chdot
    Admin

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    Nicola Sturgeon announces 'Stay At Home' will end on April 2 as routemap out of lockdown set out

    “

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/nicola-sturgeon-announces-stay-at-home-will-end-on-april-2-as-routemap-out-of-lockdown-set-out-3167737

    Posted 4 years ago #

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