“ Don't know if it is weird, isn't natural imunity from catching covid more effective than vaccine immunity?”
The immunologists and virologists I’ve been following believe that vaccine-acquired immunity is stronger than infection-acquired immunity.
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Posted 2 years ago #
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"Things proceeding exactly as previously expected" isn't sufficiently newsy unfortunately, so they're always looking for an angle that will pique interest and sell chip wrappers. And if those angles end up fuelling antivaxxer paranoia, oh well too bad so sad.
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Pre-Omicron, but...
We know that it’s possible to be reinfected with COVID-19 after either vaccination or natural infection. Our data shows that two doses of the AstraZeneca vaccine give 71% protection against infection, while two doses of the Pfizer vaccine provide 87% protection.
By contrast, an unvaccinated person with a previous COVID infection has only 65% protection against catching it again, clearly shown that if considered separately - vaccines offer greater protection against COVID-19 than natural antibodies
https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-vaccine-natural-immunity-difference
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1.4 Social context
The COVID-19 pandemic continues to significantly impact every area of life in Scotland and the recovery from the pandemic presents us with an opportunity to live and work differently. During the initial lockdown when traffic volumes were much lower many people had the opportunity to experience the benefits of quieter, less polluted streets that for many felt safer and more pleasant to walk and cycle in. People also had the opportunity to explore how their needs, in terms of access to goods, services, amenities and social connections could still be met while travelling less and staying closer to home.
Some people in certain job roles were able to shift to working from home, and survey data from July 2021 shows that 38 per cent of people think that they will work from home more often in the future14. While flexible working can have important impacts for reducing commuter travel, as well as helping people to gain the social and wellbeing benefits of living more locally, is recognised that home working will not be feasible for many job roles, nor will it be practical for individuals with desk-based roles who lack home environments suitable for work. Furthermore, there is a potential for any emissions savings from reduced travel to be offset by increased home energy emissions15, and so we must continue to facilitate sustainable commute options, in addition to enabling people to work from home where feasible.
It is important to recognise that, while the immediate impact of the pandemic on travel behaviours has been significant, the longer-term impacts, which might still be felt by 2030, are estimated to be small when compared to the level of economy-wide change needed to meet Scotland’s emissions targets. We must therefore capitalise
on the opportunities seen through recent, temporary changes in travel behaviour and support individuals with the policy and infrastructures changes that are needed to enable more significant reductions in car use going forward.“
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It comes amid "weird" data showing that case rates have been lower in unvaccinated individuals than the single, double, or even triple-jabbed since Omicron became the dominant variant in Scotland.
It’ll be the same reason that death rates for unvaccinated people looked “weird” previously.
The number of unvaccinated people is not known with certainty and the estimates of them are too large, leading to lower calculated incidence rates.
Get vaccinated folks. Boosters and all.
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It’ll be the same reason that death rates for unvaccinated people looked “weird” previously.
The number of unvaccinated people is not known with certainty and the estimates of them are too large, leading to lower calculated incidence rates.
Not entirely true as it's also evident in the vaccination status of positive and negative PCRs, so no denominator effects there. (These can be found in the UKHSA periodic Technical Briefings).
There is probably a good explanation but it shouldn't just be written off without investigation.
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Expert predicts end of facemasks in schools, "hopefully by May"
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-60052604
Maybe I'm 'lucky' to be in an at risk group? But most of you may have had your last covid vaccination.
"The near certainty is there will be booster vaccines for the vulnerable come the autumn in order to top up their protection through winter."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59970281
Also, (probably) Scotland in 2 weeks, "Facemask rules and Covid passes to end" on Monday:
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That second article in particular is deeply misleading.
If the UK government decides that we're not getting a further vaccine later this year, that's a deliberate policy decision to "let the virus rip" and to hell with the consequences. The pandemic is most definitely not over, however much hopium people are consuming.
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Second article may be gaining traction because of recent stories like this:
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I really dislike the phrase "living with Covid." We have been (trying to) live with Covid since the start of 2020. Every public health measure taken - and vaccination is surely a huge part of this - is part of an attempt to "live with Covid". But these people often seem to be arguing against those measures. So wha they really mean is "live while ignoring Covid".
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"Dr Clive Dix says we should treat the virus like flu"
I didn't read the full article, but if we are to treat it like flu, that means mass vaccination for older people, children and those with certain conditions every year on the NHS. Plus anyone else purchasing a vaccination from pharmacies if they want (or their employer pays).
Which would be fine.
However while we live on an island we're not in a bubble. Plenty of other countries have nowhere near as many vaccinated, and the pandemic is still very real.
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On vaccination status and case rates:
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Interesting snippet:
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The estimate of the population for Scotland is 8% higher if we use all people registered with a GP in Scotland compared to the official population estimates for mid-2020 from the National Records for Scotland (NRS). The true population will be somewhere in-between, and the difference is mainly in the <50-year age groups (which fits with more movement in and out of Scotland for younger people).
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Wow. 8% is a lot. Shows there is a fair "churn" of people moving in and out of Scotland, even in a pandemic.
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According to experts the nine symptoms to look out for if you are fully vaccinated are:
Runny nose
Sore throat
Sneezing
Headache
Cough
Nausea
Muscle pains
Diarrhoea
Skin rash“
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Well that narrows it down.
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The Covid pandemic has entered a perplexing phase, challenging our beliefs about what the best responses are and how we should behave. Is Omicron now “just like the flu”, meaning we can relax – or does that overlook the continuing crisis in hospitals, the record hospitalisation rates for children, the continuing deadly danger for elderly and clinically vulnerable people, and the lengthening shadow of long Covid? Is it time, as the government has decided in England, to throw away our masks and perhaps to abandon self-isolation rules, or is that recklessly optimistic (if not just politically expedient for the prime minister)?
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jan/24/britain-covid-how-pandemics-end
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Email from school to say there was a potential +ve contact at school.
Tested the boy, and of course he's +ve, phoned all the contacts he was with at weekend playdate and of course they are all +be. School and Judo club also informed.
He had no symptoms first time he had it May last year, he has developed a cough and runny nose this afternoon but is otherwise fine.
The vaccine did its job last time and we never caught it. I'm not so confident it will protect against infection this time. We were both boosted end Nov.
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Wife now +ve, feels like she has been hit by a bus, but fine all things considered.
Weird thing is they reckon the boy was contagious from Saturday, and she was working so I was in close contact with him on Saturday.
Wife's first contact with him was Sunday, worrying thing is she went out with him and gran all day on Sunday, hopefully gran doesn't get it.
Suspect it's just a matter of time before I get it, boy is 7 so you can't isolate him, playing and cuddles as normal to make sure his mental health doesn't suffer. He had a bad night last night and was up most of the night, but has been fine today. Ironic as Omicron is supposed to be milder and he had no symptoms first time he had it last year.
I have phantom symptoms, feel like something is brewing, but keep testing -ve.
I know 3 other in his class have got it, don't know if it has spread wider.
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Sue Grey "report" - it's a bit shorter than I was expecting!
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Unfortunately, this necessarily means that I am extremely limited in what I can say about those events and it is not possible at present to provide a meaningful report setting out and analysing the extensive factual information I have been able to gather.
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Exposure to a single nasal droplet is sufficient to become infected with Covid-19, according to a landmark trial in which healthy volunteers were intentionally given a dose of the virus.
The trial, the first to have monitored people during the entire course of infection, also found that people typically develop symptoms very quickly – on average, within two days of encountering the virus – and are most infectious five days into the infection.
The study was carried out using a strain of the virus before the emergence of the Alpha, Delta and Omicron variants.
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The Covid booster campaign has stalled, and declining trust in the prime minister is part of the problem, say scientists.
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One Whitehall source said a large reduction in community testing in the coming months could harm the ability of the Panoramic trial to continue.
Another Whitehall health source said Covid antivirals were one of the main tools for “learning to live with Covid” by helping take pressure off the NHS. “If [the Treasury] basically put this trial in the bin, it’s very shortsighted,” they said.
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Think it silly to reduce LF testing this year. Yes, get rid of restictions, even mandatory isolation (over time).
However Covid is likely not in it's final form yet, and if another varient comes along that's nasty the *first we'll know about it is when hosptal wards start filling up with seriously ill people, which will then be too late to try to do anything about it.
*or maybe they are relying on other countries systems to detect nasty varients first (but Kent).
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Hopefully the ONS survey will be maintained, and there is also wastewater.
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"Scotland to offer vaccine to 5-11 year olds"
Bit late probably, most of them will already have had Covid.
Torn on it for my 7 year old, he's had Covid twice now and has had no symptoms, I don't think he needs the vaccine. We're both vaxxed to the max and will take every shot offered, and so vaccine is already protecting us from serious illness and we know vaccine doesn't prevent transmission (especiially with omicron), so there seems to be no benefit for him.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-60402499
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