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  1. Morningsider
    Member

    I think all this "policy guided by the science" is a bit misleading. Yes, the science - in this case modelling of the likely impact of the virus and the effectiveness of individual measures on its spread - provides some basis for decision making. However, this knowledge is partial, subject to considerable uncertainty and rapidly developing.

    The civil service will take what information is available to them at the time - which will be a fairly small subset of the total information available. They will then work up possibly practical actions that could be taken, setting
    out possible pros and cons. It is then up to the politicians to decide what happens - at least partly influenced by their political outlook, gut feelings and fear of seeming out-of-step with decisions taken by other governments. After all, who wants to be the brave one here and go against the flow?

    I am sure all our leaders are trying their best to make the right decisions, the science is very important in this - but it is only one element.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  2. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Cocaine or Covid-19?

    Posted 5 years ago #

  3. chdot
    Admin

    “

    Boris Johnson tests positive for coronavirus

    “

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/mar/27/uk-coronavirus-live-rough-sleepers-nhs-applause-covid-19-latest-news?page=with:block-5e7de03b8f0878a2a48ab4dc#block-5e7de03b8f0878a2a48ab4dc

    (Says LauraK)

    and SRD on previous page...

    Posted 5 years ago #

  4. SRD
    Moderator

    also Fernando Gaviria (according to my kids; haven't confirmed)

    Posted 5 years ago #

  5. steveo
    Member

    We should have discussed what do do about a pandemic

    Not to sound heartless but maybe our current test run will spur some action, next thing that comes round might not be so benign.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  6. chdot
    Admin

    “After all, who wants to be the brave one here and go against the flow?”

    Trump

    (Though brave is probably the wrong word)

    Posted 5 years ago #

  7. chdot
    Admin

    Can you get CV at virtual PY?

    I think we need a scientist.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  8. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "BOJO has tested positive."

    Every cloud, eh...

    Posted 5 years ago #

  9. steveo
    Member

    Every cloud, eh...

    Wonder if the new Chancellor fancies himself the new PM.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  10. acsimpson
    Member

    Friend who is a nurse says claps are no good when they don't have PPE. The populace might be cheering them but it's the same populace who elected an inept government who didn't order any extra kit even when China and the WHO was telling everyone this was going to happen. The same inept government who let this run rampant in the population while not conducting enough testing to even know just how rampant it has run.
    If the government survives this then democracy is dead.

    The government might claim the are following the science but given that they have been practising ignoring science for the last few decades I'm more inclined to think that they are somehow still following the money in all of this.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  11. Frenchy
    Member

    Wonder if the new Chancellor fancies himself the new PM.

    Dominic Raab is, apparently, designated to become acting PM.

    Angela Rayner thinks she has it too.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  12. steveo
    Member

    Dominic Raab is, apparently, designated to become acting PM.

    Grand, less silver lining more light at the end of the tunnel (is an oncoming train)

    Posted 5 years ago #

  13. CycleCommute.CC
    Member

    Every cloud, eh...
    come on, regardless of political persuasion, this is in pretty poor taste

    Posted 5 years ago #

  14. chdot
    Admin

    “next thing that comes round might not be so benign”

    Next few things won’t to be too bad, leading to danger of complacency.

    Need big PUBLIC discussion about priorities/dangers. Two picked at random -

    Nuclear attack from crazed ‘leader’

    Extra strong virus from a lab (or Chiiinaa)

    The collapse of capitalism (or is it Capitalism?)

    (You’re not supposed to notice that’s three. Half-truths and deception still rule.)

    Posted 5 years ago #

  15. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "come on, regardless of political persuasion, this is in pretty poor taste"

    Really, only 2 weeks ago he was advocating letting it run through the country, build up herd imunity. Seems to me he has a dose of Karma, sure he will be absolutely fine.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  16. ejstubbs
    Member

    @acsimpson: I was thinking roughly the same thing myself. I'm sure it helps to make some of the health workers etc feel appreciated, but decent working conditions and adequate equipment as part of their daily routine would perhaps be even more of a boost then a ten minute "thank you" once a day - especially when they know that a good proportion of those taking part will have enabled/supported the politicians who chose to keep their situation as bad as it was even before the current <rule 2> show kicked off.

    Of course, ideally they'd get both a sane working environment and expressions of appreciation.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    If the clapping/cheering catches on (I didn't know about it) it may serve to radicalise the general population. The national health services were and are radical ideas made real in the short window after WWII when lots of people were used to gunfire and hardship.

    The various snakes punting insurance-based models are going to get this period rammed down their dislocating jaws for at least fifty years.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  18. SRD
    Moderator

    this is an interesting read: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/uk-patient-zero-east-sussex-family-may-have-infected-coronavirus/?WT.mc_id=e_DM1225445&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_Edi_New_Reg&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_Edi_New_Reg20200326&utm_campaign=DM1225445

    A family from East Sussex may have been Britain’s first coronavirus victims, catching the virus in mid-January after one of them visited an Austrian ski resort that is now under investigation for allegedly covering up the early outbreak.

    If confirmed by official tests, it would mean the outbreak in Britain started more than a month earlier than currently thought.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  19. chdot
    Admin

    “

    He said he will now self-isolate in No 10 but will "continue to lead the government's response via video-conference as we fight this virus".

    Mr Johnson was last seen on Thursday night, as he clapped outside No 10 as part of a nationwide gesture to thank NHS staff.

    “

    BBC

    Posted 5 years ago #

  20. neddie
    Member

    Is this the equivalent of "hiding in a fridge", only for a bit longer?

    Posted 5 years ago #

  21. chdot
    Admin

    “If confirmed by official tests, it would mean the outbreak in Britain started more than a month earlier than currently thought.”

    There was discussion of this on PM yesterday.

    Evan ‘I got something in January’ Davies was met with ‘yes but where were the extra deaths’.

    Plus a counter argument of ‘maybe they weren’t noticed on top of flu deaths’.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  22. paddyirish
    Member

    I'm not convinced Johnson actually has it. Wonder if he is using the announcement for political gain? When he has a reputation for lying unashamedly about everything, why should I trust him now?

    Posted 5 years ago #

  23. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    It's unfortunate that the UK of GB&NI's very odd electoral process put a man sacked twice for lying into Number Ten. There is no reason to believe a single thing he says unless backed up with independent evidence and right now that's not cool.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  24. gembo
    Member

    Evan lost his sense of taste Jan I think? I know is only one paper from Wuhan that suggests different strains...... I was flamed by my immunologist buddy for that

    You and yours having a go at cyclists (woman in garage)

    Posted 5 years ago #

  25. gembo
    Member

    Joggers getting it for snot rockets now from man on barge

    Posted 5 years ago #

  26. fimm
    Member

    Haven't read the Telegraph article but I assume the Austrian ski resort is the same one Mr fimm was telling me about (from the Austrian newspapers) where they think the source of the infection was one barman, up from northern Italy, working in a packed bar - they were speculating that that was the source for infections in Scandinavia as well.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  27. Frenchy
    Member

    Matt Hancock (Health Secretary) has tested positive.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  28. steveo
    Member

    I'd like to think thats because he has been close contact with doctors and nurses but realistically it'll be doing the rounds of the commons. We'll see which ones never actually turn up before this is over.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  29. paddyirish
    Member

    The prime minister’s chief adviser, Dominic Cummings, was seen running from Downing Street, around the same time that Boris Johnson announced to the nation he had contracted covid-19 on Thursday.

    In the footage, captured by BBC and Sky news cameras, Cummings flees from a back gate with a rucksack.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  30. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Cummings will likely be the possessor of both a BOB and a GOOD plan, nut that he is.

    Posted 5 years ago #

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