This is probably a good time to (re)read Naomi Klein's The Shock Doctrine.
(But also to (re)read Solnit's A Paradise Built in Hell.)
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Do we need a coronavirus thread?
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I went for a late evening walk. Could not get over how clear the sky was and how fresh the air smelled.
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For those suffering withdrawal symptoms check out the Tour de Quarantine
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Very generous of Mr Tumnus but really shocking that doctors and nurses have to pay for their own PPE?
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More shocking that there’s stuff to be bought and NHS/Gov isn’t doing it!
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Up to six months to see if measures have 'squashed' virus, says deputy chief medical officer
When asked whether the country would be on lockdown for the next six months, Harries said:
We actually anticipate our numbers will get worse over the next week, possibly two, and then we are looking to see whether we have managed to push that curve down and we start to see a decline.
This is not to say we would be in complete lockdown for six months, but as a nation we have to be really, really responsible and keep doing what we’re all doing until we’re sure we can gradually start lifting various interventions which are likely to be spaced - based on the science and our data - until we gradually come back to a normal way of living.
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@SRD For those suffering withdrawal symptoms check out the Tour de Quarantine
That's great. Stage five is particularly exciting.
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Very,very cute dog in second?
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Consort Healthcare reported annual profits of £16m in their most recent accounts. I'm sure it will be less this year but that's no reason for them not to be forced into doing their part to help the medics.
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Could be worse. Could be living in the US.
"How do you go from 10 to 20 to 30,000, to 300,000 -- even though this is different. Something is going on. And you ought to look into it as reporters. Where are the masks going?" -- Trump suggests that there is some sort of New York nurse conspiracy to steal masks
Without evidence, Trump accuses hospitals of "hoarding" ventilators
"There is something going on. I don't know if it is hoarding. It is maybe worse than hoarding" -- Trump again suggests that de Blasio, Cuomo and New York nurses are somehow conspiring to make unreasonable demands on the federal government for masks and ventilators
"Many of the states are stocked up. Some don't admit it. But we have sent so much." -- Trump paints governors who are asking for more federal help as complainers
In an effort to shift blame to Obama, Trump claims the federal shortage of medical gear he inherited is like his made up story about how the military was out of ammunition before he took office
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My Chinese mate who works in Beijing but hails from Wuhan reports that all is well and he is returning to work. He is a state employee communicating by work e-mail and I find myself scouring the text for nuance.
The Iron Rice Bowl is a powerful system.
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@IainMcR has also mentioned colleagues over that way are pretty much back to full speed.
This is hopeful, but also makes me wonder if the "fundamental changes to how we live and work" I was hoping we'd get out of this will actually happen. We'll need to fight for them...
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People will just want to go shopping or to the hills when they are released?
I can imagine genuine revulsion when re-homed homeless people are deliberately put on the streets again for autumn.
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@iwrats, or on big long strava rides as does not apply to us
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“We'll need to fight for them”
Probably.
Certainly need to have ‘discussions’ (I don’t just mean on CCE!) about what the "fundamental changes“ might be.
At present the media is obsessed with the present and next few months (quite understandably).
‘Afterwards’ there will be calls for an investigation into ‘how Gov was so unprepared and (probably seen to have) performed badly.
Lots of ‘must never happen again’ - which is a constant refrain through history...
There will be plenty of relief (and no doubt sadness in many quarters) and desires by many ‘to get back to where we were’, ‘have the holiday we planned’, businesses wanting/needing customers back.
Clearly many pubs/shops/eateries won’t reopen. So people will rush back to whatever is open, others may be happy with their new normal of eating and drinking at home.
Expect lots of outdoor parties - inc ones in gardens (let’s hope for some sort of free movement by August!) that may have had more attention than in recent years.
People may like the improved air quality and reduced noise, but will they voluntarily drive less? Will Govs introduce measures to make it happen?
There’s already this (but maybe due to be dismissed as ‘that was an aspiration’) -
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Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said: "Public transport and active travel will be the natural first choice for our daily activities.”
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Also -
Threat/opportunity next year when Gov ‘reforms’ tax system - so far only hinted at plan is to make self employed pay same NI as PAYEers.
So, what will do about the ‘fake’ self employed, zero hours contracts etc.
Also HOW MUCH tax (and on who) to claw back some of the current ‘generosity’?
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The coronavirus pandemic could cause UK economic output to plunge by an unprecedented 15% in the second quarter of the year and unemployment to more than double, according to dire forecasts.
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Dominic Cummings is the latest senior Westminster figure to fall ill
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Out of interest, here's a brief summary of my symptoms:
Started with a sore throat, then a bit of head cold, tickly cough (occasional), slight achy limbs (although I've had substantially worse DOMS), queasy sensations in my stomach once or twice a day. Those symptoms lasted for 5/6 days.
Runny nose stopped after 5 days, felt more like my nasal cavity was coated with a thin layer of something, felt inflamed and tight in there (what I've described as sinusy - possibly inaccurately - further up the thread), suddenly completely lost sense of smell. Woke up once a night with night sweats. Didn't check my temperature at those instances, but each time I took it during the day it didn't show a fever.
Irritation in the tops of my lungs/trachea. Occasional cough. Exercise and eating loosened it off and made it productive, coughing up some solid pale green gobbets of mucus.
A few loose bowel movements, one instance of diarrhea.
No headaches beyond the tightness around the nose - headaches are not something I've ever really suffered from anyway.16 days on from first symptom, smell is gradually coming back and the inflammation sensation in my nose is falling away. Feeling substantially better today. Not quite over it, but getting there.
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@PS sounds like the mild symptoms - I have had all of them except the cough. Day 12 for me. Frustrating not to be cycling but soon will have a half hour out to Harperig and a half hour back. In that time I doubt I will infringe the 2 metre nor the one hour a day recommendation.
Of course given all the myriad infringements I expect we will be further restricted before I am up to this.
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I've had all of those bar the squitters very mildly the past month. Never had tight lungs before other than as a result of smoke inhalation, so that was pretty weird. If it wasn't for that I'd just put it down to the usual winter colds.
I would be delighted to learn that's as bad as it will get for me, but I'll have my doubts until there's an antibody test.
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This is good article and helps to explain some of the confusion between various types of symptoms:
Not CV19:
over the winter we did have some very long-lasting colds that a lot of people found very hard to shake off that also did combine with a cough. We had quite a lot of respiratory infections over the winter...
....We have had other infections over the winter that people may be confusing with it and the most persistent was a productive cough that people couldn’t shake, but that’s not the same thing...
CV19:
...One of the first things to appear is that temperature, because the virus is affecting a big area - your whole upper respiratory tract. You get a big cytokine response, your temperature shoots up and you feel horrible.
With this novel virus you get a dry cough form. That initial irritation and the cough is what the virus has evolved to produce. That cough is what sends the virus onto its next host. What we think of as the cold or the cough is actually your body’s response to the infection in the cells. These symptoms last much longer than the virus is live.
For whatever reason, the common colds, which are also a type of coronavirus, don’t cause this same response.
My take on this is that the key identifier of CV19 is a dry cough. A productive cough is not CV19.
Also, pretty sure CV19 does not cause a runny nose.
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Quite sensible article but obvs not a peer reviewed piece. I have seen other reports stating only 60% get the dry cough. That was certainly what I was exposed to although the person resolved her cognitive dissonance by saying it was hay fever (two weeks ago, quite early for hay fever).
Also lot of stuff about surfaces so the 7 days for the infected person and the 14 days for the family is probably about right. Jane Greatorex goes off piste with eh live virus 3 day message that will have the entitled of Cambridge back at Waitrose whilst still infected.
As with everything you read about this. No one covers all the bases
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We have a skipping competition I am in joint 1st with 30 skips (though my last ten were peppers which are harder)
Obviously, this will not last.
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for those who might be interested - gives a sense of the scale and complexity the FCO is trying to deal with: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52093009
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My take on this is that the key identifier of CV19 is a dry cough
there are no common identifiers in week one. there are a range of symptoms and none are reliably consistent.
what is common is the viral pneumonia that kicks in slowly during week two, and takes hold in week three. either clinically 'mild' viral pneumonia that requires at least another three weeks of rest, or acute viral pneumonia that sends you straight to the hospital.
fortunately, i have the former. either way, its a serious business.
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@bax, that is a helpful way to look at this. I have had the pneumonia jab but that offers only partial protection for lower lung infection?? have flu jab again partial protection for flu virus mutations. I had only two days of the old shortness of breathe similar to when I had pneumonia, pleurisy and downgraded empyema (no infection in the gunk they drained from my right lung). Thinking about my time on the respiratory ward is not such a happy memory. THough was written up for some very heavy duty drugs which I would have definitely tried had I known.
As with IWRATS, my big worry is that what I have is as nothing. Indeed Mrs Garto going in to teach some children of key workers is maybe going to return with further viral load.
WOuld like a reliable antibody test
Some of the regs around Corona Virus Playground games kids can play are funny. Hide and seek without the seeking. Elastics on very long rubber bands
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@gembo who can forget those long happy nights on the ward.. hooked up to iv antibiotics for bacterial pneumonia..
the big trouble with this viral pneumonia is that there is no treatment, nada.. so unless breathing becomes entirely unrealistic, why risk fatal viral overload on the ward..
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