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day 20 - ten minute walk and ten minute jog. lung capacity not what it was, missing a third meantime, but i'm back on the bike tomorrow, yes indeed
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Good news @bax. We'll need details of this first ride.
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Great news bax. Enjoy your bike ride. My first one was 15 minutes at toddler strength on the turbo. It was pitiful but felt good nonetheless.
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The next day, he was wondering if he was suffering from a heavy flu rather than coronavirus: “Have had no chest pains. No persistent cough. So all along it could have been a heavy flu and not corona. Today the fevers are ebbing. In their place a deep muscle exhaustion. In every corner.”
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“Judges will be allowed to take pre-recorded witness statements which cannot be challenged under cross-examination”
“Unlike with so-called Diplock courts in Northern Ireland, where a single judge sits without a jury in terror trials, there is no automatic right of appeal allowed under the new bill.”
Seems a bit Draconian...
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@gembo, loads of birds everywhere, due to relative lack of humans, dogs, vehicles, etc.
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@chdot. I guess he was going on an air hunt.
I hope he caught a big one.
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@crowriver, i for one welcome our new avian overlords
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No 10 has clarified that people can go out to buy food more than once a week, after the transport secretary, Grant Shapps, mistakenly said shopping trips should be limited.
In yet another example of mixed messaging from the government, Shapps told the public that they should only leave the house for essentials once a week.
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@crowriver, my garden teeming with dem birdies, though they do scutter sharpies has when neighbours’ cats arrive
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This govt is libertarian so incapable of ordering anything or indeed of issuing clear guidance.
Scotland better but in danger of influence from idiotic south.
THe regs are clear, the guidance adds examples but lot of the examples people do not like.
Eg this is in the guidance but not in the regulations.
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@gembo IMO neither the regs nor the guidance are particularly clear, hence on the lockdownee side it is a bit of a free-for-all, while on the other side we get Derbyshire plod turning all Ministry of Love
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I went for a wander in Holyrood Park on Sunday, and must have seen at least 200 or 300 other people when I was there (on foot or on bike), but it's a big park with more than enough space for everyone to be quite spread out, so presumably quite safe.
But one thing I also noticed was a steady stream of cars being driven through: I must have guesstimated about 50 in the space of 5 minutes. With the surrounding roads almost entirely empty of traffic, there's surely none of those journeys that were in any way "essential".
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It is right to criticise the Govt, however in the midst of crisis there are some remarkable stories, 4000 bed hospitals springing up in a fortnight, 3 more planned. Inventing new CPAP machines in days, and putting new ventilators into production in a week.
The original response was really slow, but it seems the sleeves have been rolled up.
It's a real tragedy that we can't manufacture more tests quickly enough though.
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gembo - “This govt is libertarian so incapable of ordering anything or indeed of issuing clear guidance.”
Clearly not entirely true - emergency legislation that is intended to last 2 years.
I don’t think the mixed messaging is due to ‘libertarianism’.
Advising ‘don’t go out - except to supermarkets that can’t/won’t ensure any sort of “distancing”’, is reckless.
Jumping on a Minister who suggests ‘shopping once a week’ might help is merely a sign of stupidity.
http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20098&page=40#post-326402 (upthread).
This is the day that an ‘explanation’ for extra/“panic buying” was that people were shopping MORE OFTEN.
Boris and Co might fancy themselves as “libertarian”, but they are just inept.
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Inept libertarians agreed
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One of the grubbiest and least healthy human beings I know has just survived Covid-19. I will be furious if it kills me.
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The govt incapable of holding a line but clear enough to me. Try not to go out. I can work from home so just shopping. Why can I work that out, I am no more exceptional than anyone else. The fewer people you meet the less likely you are to contract the virus now. Maybe later when you do go out but that staggers the numbers.
As I accept this I can see my way through the regs and guidance. But I can work from home.
THen you have people who do understand but choose to bend it as does not apply to them like all the drivers in the park on sunday or all the cyclists on the WoL Path hoaching with germs
Then you have people who do not understand.
THe govt seems to brief against itself of course whenever it opens its mouth.
Green shoots oh yeah How many dead today 300 ok in a fortnight how many dead? 800
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“Inept libertarians agreed”
Not sure if all the Cabinet has any unified view on ‘libertarianism’ - or even if they want to be “libertarian”.
Perhaps I mean “Not sure if any of the Cabinet has any coherent view on ‘libertarianism’ ”.
In terms of ‘don’t go out - except to unsafe supermarkets’, they don’t actually understand what’s happening’ ‘out there’, and don’t have the desire/ability to organise food provision better/differently.
They can’t even organise the MOST IMPORTANT THING - testing NHS workers who are at home with SUSPECTED CV.
Actually, that’s the 2ND “MOST IMPORTANT THING”. More important is the provision of PPE - which seems to beyond the capability of Govs (exacerbated by many years of cuts making adequate contingencies impossible to fund).
Without the dedication of NHS staff...
The real scandal, of course, is that a disproportionate number of staff seem likely to get CV and so will no longer be available to work in stressful/appalling conditions.
Some won’t be able to again.
Inept is a polite word.
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“How many dead today 300 ok in a fortnight how many dead? 800”
Or 10 times that.
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who can forget only two weeks ago, when the NHS was more than adequately prepared, and large scale sporting events were not to be regarded as a significant vector for viral transmission
halcyon days they were
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“so just shopping”
You managing to maintain 2 metres?
All other shoppers keeping 2m away from each other AND staff?
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Went to Tesco Hermiston Gait this morning, I thought it was as adherent to the social distancing precepts as it could be in the circumstances. First time in a supermarket in a week (not because of Grant Shapps, I hasten to add) but a lot had changed.
Controlling numbers inside, 1 in, 1 out
Strictly 1 shopper per trolley
Cones lined up outside 2+m apart to distance the queue (ok the queue extended beyond the cones but everybody had picked up the gist)
Trolley self-sanitisation stations inside supervised by staff, from a distance (optional apparently but everyone I saw did)
Every aisle divided up into 2m segments by tape on the floor and signs to not enter next segment if occupied
Numerical restrictions per shopper on the 'problem' items (we all know what they are by now)
Cafe turned into supervised 'vulnerable shopper' section with supplies of said problem items
Lots of tills open (so no queueing or being penned into self service section, which might not have been open actually) and wiped down between each customer
"(Government)don’t have the desire/ability to organise food provision better/differently."
What would work better? Open-air markets? Everyone getting deliveries (capacity? at least half the staff in Tesco were picking online orders. It's even less efficient while distancing). Everyone crofting? I am a little hacked with everyone pointing out the obvious flaws and sub-optimalities in current arrangements while no-one appears to have a viable alternative to proffer.
(Almost as hacked off as I am with amateur epidemiologists and their pet Excel models who didn't even know the word a month ago.)
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@CHDot not been further than bottom of the garden. Skipping record up to 40, @MurunB reports Tesco Hermiston Gait adhering to the 2m/?
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oh yes, and NHS badgeholders allowed to skip the queue
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The Food Programme on Radio 4 did a couple of episodes into the situation with the food supply chain, which I found interesting (they're available online). The main problem is that we've been too successful at making it all extremely lean, so that unexpected ramping up of demand can be hard to respond to quickly. Farming Today also had an interview with a farmer who supplied eggs to McDonalds who would be very happy to switch to selling to retailers but doesn't have the little boxes. There are apparently only three eggbox manufacturers in the whole of Europe (I was listening to this very early in the morning so I might have misheard - it seemed surprising to me). So there's all sorts of little quirks and areas of friction in our food supply that makes it hard to just do the 'obvious' thing everyone thinks should be done - or at least not quickly.
I'd guess that in a couple of weeks' time we'll see a lot of those ironed out and things like bog roll, eggs and (please God) bread flour will be back in steady supply - but then the lack of farm labour to pick produce will start to bite in earnest and fresh fruit and veg might become genuinely scarce.
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Every aisle divided up into 2m segments by tape on the floor and signs to not enter next segment if occupied
is overtaking allowed, or do you just have to shamble along slowly until you finally get to the booze aisles?
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Not just NHS staff -
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Britain’s care homes are in danger of being overwhelmed by the coronavirus, with staff warning they are at “breaking point” and the country’s biggest charitable provider revealing confirmed or suspected cases in more than half of its facilities.
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