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Stanford Medicine says vacuum cleaner bags, pillowcases, and other materials are reasonably effective substitutes for medical masks
crikey
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I knew our huge buff collection would be useful eventually.
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https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/edinburgh-emergency-medical-supplies
This is a great initiative I'm helping out with. Face shields for health workers.
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This helped me understand a lot more about the corona virus.
Hope it helps others.
Cheers
ColinGood advice, I think, from (world class) Johns Hopkins University:
Betreff: The virus is fragile (Johns Hopkins University)
The virus is fragile.
The following is from Irene Ken, physician, whose daughter is an Asst. Prof in infectious diseases at Johns Hopkins University, quite informative.
The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA) covered by a protective layer of lipid (fat), which, when absorbed by the cells of the ocular, nasal or buccal mucosa, changes their genetic code. (Mutation) and convert them into aggressor and multiplier cells.
Since the virus is not a living organism but a protein molecule, it is not killed, but decays on its own. The disintegration time depends on the temperature, humidity and type of material where it lies.
The virus is very fragile, the only thing that protects it is a thin outer layer of fat. That is why any soap or detergent is the best remedy, because the foam CUTS the FAT (that is why you have to rub so much: for 20 seconds or more, to make a lot of foam).
By dissolving the fat layer, the protein molecule disperses and breaks down on its own.
HEAT melts fat; this is why it is so good to use water above 25 degrees Celsius for washing hands, clothes and everything. In addition, hot water makes more foam and that makes it even more useful.
Alcohol or any mixture with alcohol over 65 % DISSOLVES ANY FAT, especially the external lipid layer of the virus.
Any mix with 1 part bleach and 5 parts water directly dissolves the protein, breaks it down from the inside.
Oxygenated water helps long after soap, alcohol and chlorine, because peroxide dissolves the virus protein, but you have to use it pure and it hurts your skin.
NO BACERICIDE OR ANTIBIOTIC SERVES. The virus is not a living organism like bacteria; antibodies cannot kill what is not alive.
NEVER shake used or unused clothing, sheets or cloth. While it is glued to a porous surface, it is very inert and disintegrates only
- between 3 hours (fabric and porous),
- 4 hours (copper and wood)
- 24 hours (cardboard),
- 42 hours (metal) and
- 72 hours (plastic).
But if you shake it or use a feather duster, the virus molecules float in the air for up to 3 hours, and can lodge in your nose.
The virus molecules remain very stable in external cold, or artificial as air conditioners in houses and cars.
They also need moisture to stay stable, and especially darkness. Therefore dehumidified, dry, warm and bright environments will degrade it faster.
UV LIGHT on any objects that may contain it breaks down the virus protein. For example, to disinfect and reuse a mask is perfect. Be careful, it also breaks down collagen (which is protein) in the skin.
The virus CANNOT go through healthy skin.
Vinegar is NOT useful because it does not break down the protective layer of fat.
NO SPIRITS, NOR VODKA, serve. The strongest vodka is 40% alcohol, and you need 65%.
LISTERINE IF IT SERVES! It is 65 % alcohol.
The more confined the space, the more concentration of the virus there can be. The more open or naturally ventilated, the less.
You have to wash your hands before and after touching mucosa, food, locks, knobs, switches, remote control, cell phone, watches, computers, desks, TV, etc. And when using the bathroom.
You have to HUMIDIFY HANDS DRY from so much washing them, because the molecules can hide in the micro cracks. The thicker the moisturizer, the better.
Also keep your NAILS SHORT so that the virus does not hide there.
JOHNS HOPKINS HOSPITAL
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"Thank God for Matt Hammock"
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This compendium of advice did not come from Johns Hopkins. It's a mishmash of good advice and nonsense which has been circulating on social media for a while now. In particular, what is says about Listerine is just plain wrong. Listerine (and other mouthwashes) are around 20-30% alcohol, so no use whatever. See Snopes for a detailed analysis.
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Yes as with all the advice that is questionable will start with An immunologist from John Hopkins writes - then some facts then some myths.
I was going for one big style a few weeks back until the immunologist called the virus Slippery AF
Was a spoof in poor taste with some actual facts. And then a rumour about two strains. So my actual immunologist investigated and one paper only out of Wuhan claiming two strains. That is not enough for actual science. Sorry if I have now perpetuated a two strain rumour
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Perhaps folk will move back to the Old Town and live in former AirBnBs?Perhaps folk will move back to the Old Town and live in former AirBnBs?
On my evening perambulations it has been noticeable how deserted the Old Town is. Not "deserted" in a sense compared to its normal bustling nature, but rather relative to other bits of town (Stockbridge, Broughton, Leith Walk).
Some of that may be down to students having cleared off home, but I can't help thinking that it is an indicator for how few of the flats in the Old Town are actually residential now.Posted 4 years ago # -
Pic of Lawnmarket
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Is that Hancock piece a spoof?
"This was Hancock at his least needy. Though, Matt being Matt, he couldn’t not let slip a slight air of Tiggerishness at the start of his statement. A Tigger’s gotta do what a Tigger’s gotta do. "
Jason Leitch on again this morning - never off BBC these days (!)
However I do find he speaks clearly, others may disagree.
The virus is not air borne other than in droplets.
Current tests only let us know positive or negative at the time - some patients need more than one test, and rumours of being able to catch more than once are likely to do with test faults.
No other Coronavirus can be caught more than once.
The antibody test is the one we really need but some way off of course - although Economist was optimistic.
In meantime advice of distancing and soap are all we have.
Your safe to shake out your clothes etcPosted 4 years ago # -
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“Our playparks and outdoor gym equipment might be off limits for now, but our grass and woodlands are still open for a walk or run. We just ask that you be sensible and considerate of others, follow the rules and exercise close to your home. Please don’t travel elsewhere to access the outdoors. We know it’s not easy but it’s the right thing to do and the best way for us to control the spread of the virus."
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“Is that Hancock piece a spoof?”
It’s called a sketch.
Sometimes he’s wry and amusing, sometimes his exasperation gets in the way.
(Understandable)
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Ran last night and some folk still not getting it. I stopped/retreated into the woods as necessary. People still too polite/thoughtless to avoid each other.
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Apologies for perpetuating mis-information.
Cheers
ColinPosted 4 years ago # -
The virus is not a living organism, but a protein molecule (DNA)
Protein and DNA are very, very different things.
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DNA or RNA? Where is recombodna when you need him?
@colin fear not we have all done it.
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Every day, a father and son (we assume) from the flats opposite blat round and round the car park on their bikes. It is good to see.
I walked down the middle of the lane yesterday, to give pedestrians their two meters. The driver of the car coming towards me simply slowed, stopped, and waited until I was back on the pavement. I gave them a thank you wave.
Most people can do this.
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@gembo It's an RNA virus (source New York Times).
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How very retro.
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:)
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@daisydaisy I read that but my source was pretend immunologist from John Hopkins
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Although this one's not a retrovirus (that makes DNA from its RNA). It uses an enzyme made of RNA to make more copies of its own RNA. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA-dependent_RNA_polymerase
This might be how the earliest living things worked, just with RNA and no DNA.Posted 4 years ago # -
Ah well, I used to pretend to be a biologist, so pretty authorative.
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'Incoming blast from Hibernia.'
And yet RoI Covid testing is as big a shambles as UK. Disaster imminent. And no universal free healthcare in Ireland in normal circumstances. Strange backslapping article with no substance.
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@Murun, we all need a scapegoat and BoJo sure fits the bill, he is the most incompetent PM this century.
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"it is an indicator for how few of the flats in the Old Town are actually residential now."
Exactly one of the main issues Old Town Community Council have been agitated about for some years now.
Maybe we'll see it re-populated with residents as it was until relatively recently. It used to be one of Edinburgh's boasts that folk still lived in the city centre...
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3001 with virus, 172 passed away.
"The first minister also said NHS Scotland's testing capacity would increase from 1,900 a day to at least 3,500 "by the end of this month at the latest""
Not quite as bold as UK testing "goal", maybe more realistic given Scottish Govt hasn't got the capacity for testing either? (we seem to overlook this).
Is good news that we don't expect to use all of iur high dependancy beds, perhaps we can lend a hand to other parts of UK.
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