Niceties apart, I think proposing exactly the same as the (now weekly) clapping for the NHS is a mistake for various reasons.
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Sadly I have trapped my neck in a mangle for eternity
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Nope nope nope nope.
Getting sick doesn't erase your past decisions - especially when you're the most powerful individual in the country.
Meanwhile, got my Letter From The PM this AM -
"It is with that great British spirit that we will beat coronavirus" eh?Not sure how that's going to play out with (a) quite a lot of people in Northern Ireland (b) quite a lot more people in Scotland and (c) quite a lot of people who have been clearly informed that they are NOT properly British over the past few years of hostile environment / Windrush / Brexit / generalised xenophobia.
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It's a bit late to play the unity card right enough.
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Advice from a doctor and nurse on breathing exercises which can help in the event of infection:
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Someone sent me that by email this morning (as an attachment so without the covering info that’s on YouTube).
Presume it’s real and the advice is sound, but I didn’t manage to catch his name or hospital!
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I don't know, the country seems quite united at the moment, 600,000 vounteers to help the NHS down south, 50,000 up here. Folk delivering medicines and food to neighbors who need help, phoning/zoom'ing people with no relatives for a chat.
Hospitals springing up in weeks in the north and the south, east and west, industry being mobilised to manufacture ventilators, and masks and all sorts of other things they've never produced before to help out.
No one's complaining about the BBC.
All 4 Goverments are consistent in their approach to dealing with this crisis, as well as being equally unprepeared for it.
I can't think of a time, ever, when the people of this country have been so united?
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Got the letter too.
“you must stay at home”
Two sentences later -
“You may only leave your home for very limited purposes, such as ... ‘
Then -
“You can travel to and from work but should work from home if you can.”
I assume it was written over a week ago, but even then all the advice was stronger - basically ‘if you can’t work from home then going to work has to be for a VERY good reason’.
So the mixed and halfhearted messages continue.
Presume we'll have to wait for the grand aftermath ‘what can we learn before the next time’ inquiry to find out (maybe) if the tone was orchestrated by Boris or whether he wasn’t hands-on enough to force a more coherent line.
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Sorry. I don’t agree the messages are mixed or half-hearted. Unless you expecting them to say “STAY AT HOME , even if it means you starve to death”. Sure if you want to misinterpret or bend the rules then some people will, but personally I have a clear understanding of what they want me to do. It’s pretty simple.
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“I have a clear understanding of what they want me to do. It’s pretty simple.”
Sure, so the people who get photographed by police drones or visit holiday homes in Fife are wilfully disobedient?
Probably.
But this is, to say the least, halfhearted -
“You can travel to and from work but should work from home if you can.”
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They want you to work from home if you can, but if you can't, what are you supposed to do? Are you suggesting that what should happen is that people who are still required to do their jobs should nonetheless not travel to work? So supermarket workers, for example should not travel to work?
I think you want to make the lockdown more severe , but that is a different thing from the govt sending out a mixed message.Posted 4 years ago # -
@stiltskin, I agree that although the messages may contradict, i can follow them. I had mixed experience on walk today most people getting social distance. One couple ( i had buff up for them) a. Did not seeem to get it and b. Thought I was weird as they made no effort to step out into the road (clear balerno.carriageway)
In countries more like Police Stater it is binary. In other European countries need a pass to travel.
We are taking a more lenient approach. Not sure why. People are bending this for sure. They know they are not complying but are bending anyway.
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"Presume we'll have to wait for the grand aftermath ‘what can we learn before the next time’ inquiry to find out (maybe) if the tone was orchestrated by Boris or whether he wasn’t hands-on enough to force a more coherent line."
I suspect the words aren't of politicians, and instead come out of the pandemic preparedness plan, most countries using similar if not identical language. NS uses the same language in her breifings, but we like her so don't mind the message then.
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Launderettes & other essential businesses like food shops, vets, pharmacies & petrol stations can still operate. For a full list of who can stay open see http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ssi/2020/103/schedule/1/made or contact Covid19.Enforcement@fife.gov.uk #stayhomestaysafe @BGFife @FifeChamber @FifeEconPship
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http://pic.twitter.com/baB7UK8TX8
07/04/2020, 09:00
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I'm sure that'll be popular with vulnerable groups.
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We are taking a more lenient approach.
That's based on the research that the public respond better to being asked to do something, to be recognised for doing it, and to be "in it together", as compared to being compelled to do something which breeds resentment, and rebellion.
On balance, the more lenient approach produces greater compliance than compulsion (even though the law is clear, and compulsion is an option the authorities have given themselves). I suspect that the lenient, "do it for the NHS", approach will also be more sustainable for the long haul, although historically quarantines have not been in place for the periods now being considered.
Robert
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Some ideas here about how lockdown could end. Italy closest equivalent to UK, but their lockdown is much stricter than ours. We are c.14 days behind Italy...
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Reporting Scotland: Care home boss says his 1100 staff are being treated like cannon fodder by Scottish Govt over lack of protective equipment.
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The WHO latest advice on PPE is out.
It suggests that PPE might not be required unless care is being provided to an infected client.
The WHO guidelines are to only use PPE where required to free it up for situations that actually require it.
Is it possible that home care is taking PPE from where it is needed?
Robert
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“Care home boss says his 1100 staff are being treated like cannon fodder by Scottish Govt over lack of protective equipment.”
I think care staff generally are getting a worse deal than ‘normal’ - private and LA.
Esp if Gov/NHS ‘rule’ is not to admit people in homes to hospitals.
(Lack of) PPE is/n’t a problem - depending on who you believe.
Does care home boss normally get supplies from Gov/NHS?
(Or is he suggesting they have bagged all PPE going?)
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Only the one boris clapper in Easter Rd just now. 5 claps, then stopped.
Busy here getting my head round how masks help if I have covid with symptoms but don't help if I have covid without symptoms. Suspect logic foul play.
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According to him supplies should be coming from NHS govt (NHS warehouse in Glasgow).
23 care home residents amongst those who have died, and a worker. Elderly with symptoms being refused tests, and so are staff showing symptoms.
How do you know for sure who is / isn't infected?...
My wife works in Private hospital theatre - now only doing urgent NHS work to help capacity, trauma, cancer cases etc, no Covid. They have been supplied by Govt with PPE, and wear full kit during cases, because patients could be infected.
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Only the one boris clapper in Easter Rd just now. 5 claps, then stopped
five sounds like the sweet spot for irony
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World-leading disease data analysts have projected that the UK will become the country worst hit by the coronavirus pandemic in Europe, accounting for more than 40% of total deaths across the continent.
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From link
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The analysts also claim discussions over “herd immunity” led to a delay in the UK introducing physical distancing measures, which were brought in from 23 March in England when the coronavirus death toll stood at 54. Portugal, by comparison, had just one confirmed death when distancing measures were imposed.
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Posted 4 years ago # -
Great coming together here of the big topics of the century : Global pandemic and "don't drive to exercise" government edicts seemingly no match for HES, currently refusing to shut Holyrood Park's leisure car parks (and top road, presumably?). For reduced mobility users who might fancy driving to the park, they say.
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“For reduced mobility users who might fancy driving to the park, they say.”
None of whom have been told to stay indoors for 12 weeks of course.
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Clap
Apparently -
https://twitter.com/brokenstones86/status/1247607002022502410
(I probably mean allegedly.)
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