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  1. crowriver
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    @nobrakes, yeah A1 London Road seems busier too. Folk heading back from their holiday homes / visiting relatives?

    What do you mean they shouldn't be doing it? Don't you know how difficult it is to stay at home for two weeks? Where's the harm in taking a drive somewhere: they're social distancing in their cars, innit? What do you mean they might have a crash? Careful hard-working family motorists? Never. What do you mean April is a bad month for road traffic collisions? But the roads are empty! Oh...

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  2. Stickman
    Member

    This could be the ideal time to try the Castle to Leith freewheel challenge.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  3. nobrakes
    Member

    Have just cycled down to Tesco in Gala to get some supplies. Definitely a lot more traffic. Some people driving at ludicrous speed. Insert spaceballs clip here.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  4. crowriver
    Member

    Maybe they've all seen on the news that Spain is easing some lockdown restrictions. So they're just like "If Spaniards can do it, so can we!" ignoring the fact that Spain's lockdown is far stricter than ours.

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  5. chdot
    Admin

    “

    There are more than 23,000 Americans dead because of coronavirus and more than half a million infected - and remember that, in early March, Donald Trump was saying there were a handful of cases, but that would soon be down to zero.

    Yet Donald Trump walked into the briefing room with scores to settle with the media. This wasn't about the dead, the desperately sick, the people fearful of catching the virus. This was about him. And more particularly his profound sense of grievance that the media has been critical of his handling of Covid-19.

    “

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-us-canada-52276004

    Posted 5 years ago #

  6. LaidBack
    Member

    @nobrakes - twisty road towards Gala too. What were you on - ICE trike with panniers?

    @crowriver - oh so true.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  7. fimm
    Member

    Stevo last week asked for

    One thing I'd like to see (without sounding goulish) is what the death rate for an average week would be alongside the daily/weekly update. Its easy to scare people when you quote a large number and attribute it to one thing, I would appreciate a bit of perspective though I will admit I'm a data guy and I am possibly (almost certainly) in the minority.

    Here's this week's...
    https://twitter.com/ActuaryByDay/status/1249983121254203395

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  8. chdot
    Admin

    Note - baseline starts at arbitrary(?) 6,000.

    Still pretty dramatic.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  9. unhurt
    Member

    Re: busier roads - some people who are still required to physically attend work will still have had the Bank Holiday off. So I'd expect more traffic today than yesterday...

    I know lockdown is stressful, and bad driving has zero excuse, but how about we don't all go about our business with the mindset that WE are only out and about for necessary and officially sanctioned, morally acceptable reasons, but THEY are a bunch of contemptible thickies who don't understand and/or are just breaking the rules cos they dun care.

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  10. crowriver
    Member

    "some people who are still required to physically attend work will still have had the Bank Holiday off."

    Yeah but, it's busier than before Easter weekend.
    Also, key workers may not have had the luxury of a bank holiday.

    So, despite potential for some people (including posties, delivery drivers) to have restarted work, I'm calling it as also "I can't stand this lockdown anymore, I'm going for a drive!"

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  11. nobrakes
    Member

    @LaidBack yes, the trike is my shopping platform.

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  12. chdot
    Admin

    “how about we don't all go about our business with the mindset that WE are only out and about for necessary and officially sanctioned, morally acceptable reasons”

    Yes

    As always it’s ‘the few’ - especially those who ‘must’ speed - that colour ‘our’ judgements.

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  13. minus six
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    why y'all buyin' all that toilet paper
    as if that's gonna save ya

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    Posted 5 years ago #

  14. nobrakes
    Member

    I was shopping for essentials - coffee and fig rolls. :)

    Also I was not being judgemental about busier traffic - just wondering why. In general I think Scotland is observing lockdown pretty darn well.

    Ludicrous speeders on A7 - no sympathy for them. On Sunday we were overtaken on the tandem by someone going light speed right into a blind corner. Not impressed. Most drivers are very courteous at holding back in daft places and I always wave my appreciation when they do.

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  15. chdot
    Admin

    Edinburgh’s latest look(?)


    (By email)

    Posted 5 years ago #

  16. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/we-are-all-resigned-to-getting-it-nhs-staff-reveal-fears-from-the-frontlines-of-covid-19

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  17. chdot
    Admin

    https://theferret.scot/coronavirus-myths-fact-check-covid-19/

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  18. steveo
    Member

    Was the outbreak caused by 5G

    What does it take to get a ffs from here?

    Posted 5 years ago #

  19. chdot
    Admin

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/coronavirus-distancing-continue-until-2022-lockdown-pandemic

    Posted 5 years ago #

  20. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Article above does beg the question, that if our NHS is currently coping, and we are at the (current) peak, why are they continuing to build capacity by putting up multiple 1000s bed hospitals.

    Essentially lockdown is in place to buy time for NHS capacity to allow the economic taps to be turned on again, slowly at first. Herd immunity is really still the global strategy, whether a vaccine comes quickly or not.

    Also interesting questions about glabalisation being raised, even the French now conceding there is too much reliance on other countries for certain things, most nations experiencing the equipment,and medicine pinch as producer countries keep stocks to themselves. Where do you stop with that though, who knows what the next crisis will bring, and what commodities will be in short supply? Does every country become more insular as a result of this,where will the next resources war flare up if so, or even is the next world war already now inevitable?

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  21. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Care home figures now added to Scotland total, sobering...

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-52292001

    And along with the reports of how care homes/staff are being treated in general by govt north and south of the border it's not surprising they are starting to revolt, with stories some are now refusing to take patients from hospitals unless they have tested -ve.

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  22. chdot
    Admin

    “ now refusing to take patients from hospitals unless they have tested -ve.”

    Quite right.

    Posted 5 years ago #

  23. chdot
    Admin

    “

    We scientists said lock down. But UK politicians refused to listen

    ...

    My own group is studying the response of communities, showing how the epidemic is amplifying existing social inequalities. People with the lowest household income are far less likely, but no less willing, to be able to work from home or to self-isolate.

    “

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/15/uk-government-coronavirus-science-who-advice

    Posted 5 years ago #

  24. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Counterpoint:

    The battle at the heart of British science over coronavirus

    The UK government has been accused of paying too much attention to epidemiologists over other experts

    https://www.ft.com/content/1e390ac6-7e2c-11ea-8fdb-7ec06edeef84

    Posted 5 years ago #

  25. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Insurers offering pandemic cover don't have the cash to cover the risk, another pyramid scheme...

    "But Hiscox says the insurance industry does not have enough money to cover all the losses that will emerge as a result of the lockdown."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52280012

    Posted 5 years ago #

  26. toomanybikes
    Member

    on the FT article: not quite my field, but I've heard the 'listen less to epidemiologists and more to front line clinical staff ' etc. line a few times now. I've never heard what it could mean in real terms though. Seems to just be a feeling of exclusion by some to policy making, without any actual policies they can suggest.

    The test and isolate strategy that's being touted couldn't have been deployed at the same date with the same notice of the lockdown, they'd have needed to plough money into scaling up testing and tracing way earlier.

    The mention of wasting 1.6bn on vaccines for flu when you can see scale of the current economic damage is so ridiculous. 1.6bn looks like less than peanuts right now, it's the overly salty peanut dust at the bottom of the bag.

    In all of this is an implicit 'we're overreacting' when really we under reacted early, that's the issue

    Posted 5 years ago #

  27. miak
    Member

    Anybody want to help our crowdfunder at Edinburgh Shield Force

    https://www.crowdfunder.co.uk/edinburgh-emergency-medical-supplies

    we made the news again yesterday

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-scotland-52294799/engineering-enthusiasts-3d-print-thousands-of-face-shields

    Posted 5 years ago #

  28. chdot
    Admin

    “

    More newly-hired staff will get paid

    “

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52279455

    Posted 5 years ago #

  29. chdot
    Admin

    Matt Hancock (live)

    More testing for care homes.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/apr/15/uk-coronavirus-live-government-lockdown-exit-strategy-covid-19-latest-updates?page=with:block-5e972feb8f08ea7431f43662#block-5e972feb8f08ea7431f43662

    Posted 5 years ago #

  30. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Half the country is sitting on their sofas, but we're flying in people from Eastern Europe to pick fruit and veg?

    Why isn't there a volunteer scheme similar to NHS?

    Posted 5 years ago #

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