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@chdot on your list - no rain and pretty much a month of easterlies?
Chap mfixing puncture across from my house. Declined my offer of track pump. Which i guess is coronavirus related. He had his own little mini pump and did some frantic pumping with it. Quite quick change of his back wheel though
“pretty much a month of easterlies?“
Seems so for rest of month, not so much first half.
When did it last rain?
I think Vote Leave planned to take power, do Brexit, become rich and retire to Monaco, Florida, Dubai and the Caribbean. Governing is the last thing they wanted to do and a global health crisis is off the scale unwelcome to them. They're a smash and grab outfit not a health authority.
@chdot: Driving to exercise now ok (or is that just England?)
I agree that the situation about this is confusing. The article linked to by fimm the other day seems to be contradictory, though I suspect it's really just badly written. The headline reads "Driving to take a walk is lawful during England lockdown, police told". But the first paragraph states: 'Driving to the countryside and walking – where more time is spent doing the latter than the former – is among a list of reasonable excuses for Britons leaving their home during the coronavirus lockdown, according to advice issued to police." Both the OED and WIki seem to agree that, outside of a historical context, "Briton" means a citizen or native of Great Britain/UKGBNI, whereas the actual document issued by the NPCC does state at the top "England only", thus tying it down to location rather than ethnicity or citizenship - which former does seem distinctly more rational.
But it still potentially begs the question: is the situation in Scotland and Wales actually different? Or is it more the case that the clarification issued by the CPS (which only covers England and Wales) was issued specifically to resolve issues arising from actions of police forces in England alone? And if so, was it the case that driving to take exercise was always OK in Scotland and the NPCC didn't feel that that needed clarifying? (I note that the NPCC's own web page states: "The NPCC brings police forces in the UK together," so they presumably do have - or think that they do have - the same role/authority north of the border as they do in Englandshire.)
The NPCC document, which is based on the CPS guidance, is clear that it is intended to clarify "what might and what might not constitute a ‘reasonable excuse’" to leave the place where you live. AFAICS from a quick scan of the relevant sections of the English and Scottish versions of the cornoavirus regulations there is no meaningful difference between what they each list as reasonable excuses. Which might lead one assume that the two regulations have the same meaning and intention - and by logical extension, that if it is the intention that the clarification issued by the CPS should not be regarded as applying equally to the Scottish regulations then it would be helpful if a clear statement to that effect was made.
is the situation in Scotland and Wales actually different?
The legislation and regulations are wholly different I think;
Sunday National:
The cargo, which landed at Prestwick Airport yesterday morning, included 10 million surgical masks to boost supplies of personal protective equipment (PPE). Infusion pumps, which are used to deliver fluids and medication to patients in intensive care units, and kits to collect samples of the virus for laboratories, were also on board.
Trade minister Ivan McKee said today’s additional equipment consignment was “significant” and items would be delivered over the coming days. He said: “Protecting staff working on the frontline is an absolute priority which is why we have been working at pace with the NHS and manufacturers both in Scotland and internationally to improve and increase the supply of PPE.”
...and on BBC.
Pennie Taylor seemed impressed with the Louisa Jordan hospital - she's often very critical of NHS Scotland but praised the effort here (accepting that it might never be used though).
Each country has its own legislation but, as I pointed out in my post above, the actual wording of the sections in the English and Scottish versions of the regulations as to what constitutes a "reasonable excuse" for leaving your home is virtually indistinguishable. I've not read the Welsh regulations sufficiently to form an accurate comparison but it is clear that they do actually limit outdoor exercise away from home to once per day, unlike the Scottish or English regulations.
I couldn't help but wonder about one family I noticed yesterday as their car pulled in to their drive with four bikes on the roof and the members of the family disembarked in full lycra and carrying helmets, gloves etc - so it did look as if they had been out for a ride, rather than collecting newly-bought bikes from a retailer. They gave the distinct impression of working on the basis that it was OK for them to have driven to take their exercise (which I'd suggest is more difficult to justify for two-wheeled exercise than it is for walking anyway.)
IMO some unambiguous clarification about the situation in Scotland vs England would be helpful and welcome. When things are left vague or poorly communicated some folks can't help but try to take advantage of that to justify actions which other folks would regard as questionable. And seeing other people 'bend the rules' apparently without sanction can encourage others to act or think the same way.
Fundamentally, the clearer and better publicised the rules and guidance are, the less work the polis should need to do helping people to stay within them.
"When things are left vague or poorly communicated some folks can't help but try to take advantage of that to justify actions which other folks would regard as questionable. And seeing other people 'bend the rules' apparently without sanction can encourage others to act or think the same way."
Whilst this is true, Scottish government advice has been pretty consistent about folk staying at home and not travelling. See for example the rural holiday homes and camper vans furore, resignation of CMO, etc. This is in line with a stricter approach that means most construction sites in Scotland are closed, unlike in England where most remain open.
Doesn't stop chancers taking advantage of legal ambiguities when it suits them, but social disapproval seems a more effective incentive here.
@crowriver, i did also notice Scot gove letting you out twice or thrice a day if you have autism. Strong suggestion therefore once a day if you are neurotypical
Plenty of permit holder spaces round in Marchmont.
Not sure if cars are normally in them.
https://flic.kr/p/2iS1WEp
Pretty sure that was to stop commuter parking.
All houses have lots of driveway space!
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When asked why the government has not responded to manufacturers who are willing to produce PPE, Williamson said they will be contacted in the next 24 hours.
He said a billion extra PPE have been brought into the country while the government was doing “immense work” in trying to find British suppliers.
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Number of smaller countries - NZ, ROI and now Portugal locked down earlier and lower deaths. Scotland could have done this. There is also a rurality factor for Scotland and the other 3 countries
It's a very interesting question, quite what Scotland could have done differently.
Now that the first minister has abandoned self-government as a practical political project to focus instead on being a good devolutionist she has to answer for the consequences of following in the footsteps of the regime in London.
@iwrats - plane load of PPE arrived so gov here is not too disorganised it seems.
Obviously Denmark has done better in the small country stakes - did help that its southern neighbour is Germany though.
https://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2020/04/17/gaslighting-the-virus/
The situation WRT to driving to take exercise is different in Scotland - it isn't allowed. Mountaineering Scotland and similar bodies are making it very clear that you shouldn't be out on the hills just now. Mountain Rescue posted on Facebook that it had been over 20 days (I think) since their last call-out - the longest gap since foot-and-mouth.
I think the Guardian article was just being rubbish and using British as synonymous with English...
Saw a Slavic looking couple heading into Pentlands this am with massive rucksacks - walking but maybe took bus to terminus?
Met scout leader who told me he had gone for long walk in pentlands and saw no one - he walked from his house
Glad mountain rescue not having to go out
@gembo Almost all* Pentland walks we used to do started at home. But it takes about 4h door-to-door even just for the Allemuir and Caerketon Hill loop. Mr Bill says it's beyond what we can justify as an exercise and/or essential.
*For Covanenters Grave, Thieves Rd or even more southern bits we used a bus or a lift (and usually walked back home).
For a bit of light(er) relief. Cycling Scotland have tweeted that "If you're cycling please remember to stay 2 metres from other people...". Handily illustrated with a photo of a path where this would be physically impossible.
Working with others, we help create and deliver opportunities and an environment so anyone anywhere in Scotland can cycle easily and safely.
Sounds wonderful. Must be new?
@bill, yes I am lucky I can get there quickly on foot
Has been bit busy getting there but fairly spread out afterwards. I showed Mrs Garto the low road to Harlaw which diverges from the shortcut on the bend and goes down to the Bavelaw Burn in splendid isolation - lot of resin and cool alpine scents.
As a new migrant to Balerno I went down that way and chanced upon a stone enclosure I climbed out of then found the dog called Kim’s grave and then the Harlaw reservoir, I was climbing the dry walls of the reservoir run off, not possible now due to the Hydro scheme
The big bald man with the taras bulbas / Big river man moustaches and his walking partner with the high cheek bones might have come off a 44 bus?
Also, a Turkish A400 delivered a plane full last week, I think there have been other deliveries already too:
https://www.raf.mod.uk/news/articles/ppe-delivered-into-raf-brize-norton
"anyone anywhere in Scotland can cycle easily and safely"
Hm. If they are a modern Spartan, prepared to run the gauntlet of lawless public roads, then yes they can cycle. Easily? Safely?
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However, one cabinet source said the government’s advisers on Sage had presented the case that not a single loosening of measures could be undertaken soon without pushing up the rate of transmission for each person infected, known as R – and not enough data existed to say when it would be safe to do so.
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