@crowriver the absence of the endless debate over Labour's centrism or radical leftism for winning the next election was just about the one good feature of this outbreak.
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@chdot, “Creating an entirely new social security system is unlikely to be possible during the crisis.”
Which is likely to last how long? A year? Two? Emergency legislation in force for two years from start of this month...
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For clarity (after turn of page) - that’s not a quote by me!
That’s for KS to think about.
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This is what government inaction and BAU leads to:
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CONSUMERS SET TO ABANDON PUBLIC TRANSPORT AS A RESULT OF COVID-19
- ‘Transport distancing’ likely to drive car sales, with 56% of UK driving licence holders who don’t currently own a vehicle, now considering one post ‘lockdown’
- People put off using cramped public transport, with 48% less likely to use it
- More than half of consumers think owning a vehicle will be more important after lockdownPosted 5 years ago # -
@crowriver mibbees, but sales of cars are way down I think?
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Sales currently down.
Likely to be big spike in key handbacks due to inability to pay.
Current unknowns include -
No of people with no work to go to.
No of people ‘demanding’ to work from home 2-3 days a week.
No of people being told to work from home 2-3 days a week, for workplace social distancing.
No of people now preferring to cycle.
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"CONSUMERS SET TO ABANDON PUBLIC TRANSPORT AS A RESULT OF COVID-19"
See post 2..
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this is worth a read https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/20/opinion/coronavirus-testing-pneumonia.html?fbclid=IwAR2POvU2Sw63qFl7WD5i6bpVqP0OhEIh_mI-DHRQzVtJUc9BwNh_z-UvOK0
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From link -
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To my amazement, most patients I saw said they had been sick for a week or so with fever, cough, upset stomach and fatigue, but they only became short of breath the day they came to the hospital. Their pneumonia had clearly been going on for days, but by the time they felt they had to go to the hospital, they were often already in critical condition.
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There is a way we could identify more patients who have Covid pneumonia sooner and treat them more effectively — and it would not require waiting for a coronavirus test at a hospital or doctor’s office. It requires detecting silent hypoxia early through a common medical device that can be purchased without a prescription at most pharmacies: a pulse oximeter.
Pulse oximetry is no more complicated than using a thermometer. These small devices turn on with one button and are placed on a fingertip. In a few seconds, two numbers are displayed: oxygen saturation and pulse rate. Pulse oximeters are extremely reliable in detecting oxygenation problems and elevated heart rates.
Pulse oximeters helped save the lives of two emergency physicians I know, alerting them early on to the need for treatment. When they noticed their oxygen levels declining, both went to the hospital and recovered (though one waited longer and required more treatment). Detection of hypoxia, early treatment and close monitoring apparently also worked for Boris Johnson, the British prime minister.
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<Breaks out the pulse oximeter from the massive first aid kit>
Worth bearing in mind that these tools are impaired by poor peripheral circulation, some skin pigmentation and nail polish (you are still maintaining cosmetic standards in lockdown, aren't you?).
Robert
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And that last one is why it doesn't work in school.
It's not even just nail polish, lots of them have stuck on plastic nails.
There is a bit of a health hazard as plastic generally burns quite well and I have to let them light bunsens.
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For although rates of infection and death in Scotlnd remain lower than the UK average, we are nonetheless, with the rest of the UK, now undergoing a worst-of-all-worlds Covid experience, with both some of the highest death rates in the world, and a lockdown so strict and prolonged that huge economic damage is unavoidable. At the moment, the UK is recording the world’s highest daily death toll, outside the United States; and it is increasingly acknowledged that those figures – which now put the UK’s total Covid deaths at more than 18,000 – represent a radical underestimate, covering only deaths in hospital of those already tested for Covid-19.
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Good reporting from P&J here.
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‘Blood sport’ row over call for coronavirus support to be given to shooting and fishing enterprises
Sporting estates that offer shooting and fishing should receive Scottish Government support to help them through the coronavirus crisis, landowning Tories have said.
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New testing website closes after high demand.
They better call Amazon...
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Police criticise 'selfish' lockdown rule-breakers
A small number of "irresponsible and selfish people" are "repeatedly and wilfully" flouting coronavirus lockdown rules, according to Police Scotland. Deputy Chief Constable Malcolm Graham said this "small minority" have now received multiple fines. Officers have made 78 arrests and issued 1,637 fixed penalty notices in Scotland since 27 March.
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"When do COVID-19 S(uper)S(preading)E(vent)s happen? Based on the list I’ve assembled, the short answer is: Wherever and whenever people are up in each other’s faces, laughing, shouting, cheering, sobbing, singing, greeting, and praying. You don’t have to be a 19th-century German bacteriologist or MIT expert in mucosalivary ballistics to understand what this tells us about the most likely mode of transmission.
It’s worth scanning all the myriad forms of common human activity that aren’t represented among these listed SSEs: watching movies in a theater, being on a train or bus, attending theater, opera, or symphony (these latter activities may seem like rarified examples, but they are important once you take stock of all those wealthy infectees who got sick in March, and consider that New York City is a major COVID-19 hot spot). These are activities where people often find themselves surrounded by strangers in densely packed rooms—as with all those above-described SSEs—but, crucially, where attendees also are expected to sit still and talk in hushed tones.
The world’s untold thousands of white-collar cubicle farms don’t seem to be generating abundant COVID-19 SSEs—despite the uneven quality of ventilation one finds in global workplaces. This category includes call centers (many of which are still operating), places where millions of people around the world literally talk for a living. (Addendum: there are at least two examples of call-centre-based clusters, both of which were indicated to me by readers after the original version of this article appeared—one in South Korea, which overlaps with the massive Shincheonji Church of Jesus cluster; and the other in Jamaica.)
In New Zealand, one SSE centered on students at a girls’ school. Given the exuberant and socially intimate way in which children laugh, argue and gossip, I am surprised there are not more schools on my list. Moreover, I had trouble finding any SSEs that originated in university classrooms, which one would expect to be massive engines of infection if COVID-19 could be transmitted easily through airborne small-droplet diffusion.
In the United States, the two university-based examples that have received the most media attention are Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. and the University of Texas. But in neither case was there any apparent connection to classroom activity. At Liberty, where several employees got sick, the one student known to be infected isn’t even currently enrolled in classes. And the UT outbreak, which has caused more than 40 students to be infected, actually took place on a Spring Break trip to Mexico. It’s possible, I suppose, that these students spent the week holed up in a conference room with a stack of books. But my instincts indicate otherwise.
It’s similarly notable that airplanes don’t seem to be common sites for known SSEs, notwithstanding the sardine-like manner in which airlines transport us and the ample opportunity that the industry’s bureaucracy offers for contact tracing. Yes, New Zealand has one cluster that’s based around an infected but asymptomatic flight attendant. But the many known infections he caused took place at a wedding reception, not in an airplane. This flight attendant was running what was, in effect, an unintended experiment, with the passengers on board his aircraft playing the role of control group. And the results offer a microcosm of the nature of SSEs as a whole."
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Significant impact for Scottish cities, most of which have at least one university, and especially for Edinburgh which has four universities and a large number of students.
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Significant impact for Scottish cities, most of which have at least one university, and especially for Edinburgh which has four universities and a large number of students.
Will also be interesting to see what happens to all those student flats that have been built. Suspect a lot of the developers will be struggling on the back of this.
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1 in 5 New Yorkers May Have Had Covid-19, Antibody Tests Suggest
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/23/nyregion/coronavirus-antibodies-test-ny.html
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@PS, indeed, especially as much of the Edinburgh student accommodation doubles as festival accommodation/AirBnBs during the summer.
Seems to me that Edinburgh rents will be coming down over the next year as there will be a glut of flats on the market.
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A few open top sports cars being exercised today. If you are overtaking a cyclist with windows down and passenger then should be at least 2m away. Your open car, just like a bike is not excluded from social distancing.
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Herd Immunity has Infected UK Policy – But Who Was Patient Zero for this Toxic Transatlantic Idea? Let's look at Dominic Cummings
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Does Cummings also have Swedish links?
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Civil service colleague of mine who never comments on anything political on facebook lost his cool around 2am last night re that Guardian article. (and the statement in response).
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@ SRD
and??
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just trying to convey the level of disquiet... i was shocked.
how about 'Piers Morgan just tweeted the front cover of the Guardian'??!
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