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@chdot: The guidance stresses that the wearing of face coverings must not be used as an alternative to physical distancing
Could someone tell that to the two guys in Sainsbury's earlier today who were obviously going around together (though each with their own trolley) contrary to Sainsbury's own guidance to shop "one adult at a time", both wearing facemasks and both utterly failing to observe any meaningful physical distancing. When they both came and stood right alongside me me as I was waiting 2m* away from another shopper who was dithering about which cooked meats she wanted to buy, I reversed out and headed off rapidly in the other direction. I might have muttered something which would have fallen foul of rule 2 under my breath as I did so.
I do wonder whether might be some kind of risk compensation going on with some folks wearing face masks, and whether this has been - or ought to be - taken in to account by those advocating their use.
* As indicated by the helpful floor markings which Sainsbury's and other supermarkets have now put in place. Observance obviously optional...
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A tale of dedication -
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This could be misinterpreted...
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Government minister Victoria Atkins told BBC Breakfast she was "very, very sorry to hear" of the Panorama report.
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Chatting to my boss's boss and he said his daughter (a doctor) caught the virus working on a Covid ward without PPE. Recovered and was sent to a cardiac ward without being tested. Refused as she considered herself infectious and has returned to Covid duties.
All this in London.
Pal in France's dad caught the virus while in hospital for his foot. Sent home to be cared for by his wife.
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@MurunBuchstansangur
My Irish figures were flagged up by Ch4 last night. Not saying that means they are beyond dispute.
This tweet below comes from an epidemiologist based in Bristol. I know that not all information is like for like but if NI is most successful of the four nations then that is opposite of what was going out on one media outlet. Have Ch4 and Gabriel Scally got it badly wrong?
@GabrielScally
Ireland is an 'experiment' in #coronavirus response. N Ireland has followed Whitehall approach. Rep of Ireland has followed @WHO advice. The death rate for #COVID19 deaths in hospital (and for all COVID deaths) is 50% higher in Northern Ireland. https://t.co/mB3SOZUvPz https://t.co/pFt3ARdw2j
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@laidback, my republican friends trying to make merry with the Norn IRN DATA So interested in what Murun posted.
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@gembo - where did alternative figures come from?
Every country of course trying to 'hide' deaths in care homes and non attributed ones.
Mrs LB said there was a walk out at St Guys in London tonight in protest at failure to get PPE sorted in time.Posted 5 years ago # -
everyone's back out there now they've twigged its not being policed
i dunno, is it even worth having an opinion now
it is what it is
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@LaidBack the first chart in the Irish Times article cuts off at 10th April, which already seems like an age ago. RoI figure of 59.4 I am able to somewhat reproduce from official figures (not sure what denominator is being used but 329 deaths/4.9 million = 67.1). The highest figure I am able to find for NI on 10th April is the NISRA death certificate figures which includes suspected Covid deaths (and which data would only have been available after 17th April) giving 157/1.9 million = 82.6
Rolling it forward a week to 17th April gives 242/1.9 million = 127.3 for NI and 605/4.9 million = 123.5 so 'gap' effectively closed on those figures. Plus the RoI added 185 further "probable deaths" on 24th April which is the genesis of my figures above showing RoI rate higher now than NI. Of course there are differences in methodology between the two jurisdictions.
I have no clue where the figures for hospital deaths come from. On a point of order - I'm not sure authors labelling graphs "Source: Author" is particularly helpful.
Finally, I note the author of the Irish Times article is a social scientist, not an epidemiologist.
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More comprehensively deconstructed here
https://factcheckni.org/fact-checks/are-covid-19-deaths-in-northern-ireland-50-higher-than-ireland/
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@MurunBuchstansangur - thanks for that.
As you say if stats are not in synch and
methodology is different then accurate comparison is not possible.Posted 5 years ago # -
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Edinburgh appears to have had a smaller decline than all other major cities in the UK, including London, where traffic fell by 77.61 per cent. Birmingham, Newcastle, Liverpool and Manchester all saw slightly larger reductions in traffic compared to Edinburgh too.
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Re Sturgeon's mask suggestion - no-one I saw in Roseburn today was wearing one. Not the assistant in the pharmacy, none of the assistants nor the customers in Tesco's Express, no-one in the streets.
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According to doctor John the well known nurse teacher blogger the UK has not directed any companies to produce masks. I wondered how come masks were not worn last night in supermarket it may be as hard to get
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@Ed1 - you can use a bandanna or other piece of folded cloth as a makeshift.
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I don’t see how a mask can help, unless you’re actually coughing. In which case, you shouldn’t be going out at all & should be self isolating.
Also...
I will NOT be wearing a mask, in the same way I will NOT be wearing a helmet
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Neighbour came round with a mask on & spoke to us from the street. Where she promptly touched her face to pull the mask down, so she could speak. Hashtag facepalm
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I will continue to wear a mask to the shops in an effort to protect others. I cannot know if I have the virus and I do sometimes cough without warning. It also reminds me not to touch my own face until I'm home and my hands are washed.
Like everyone who's done dangerous lab work I know it takes a while to get the hang of PPE. Not scratching your nose with gloves on and all that.
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. Not the assistant in the pharmacy, none of the assistants nor the customers in Tesco's Express
I had a chuckle to myself last week. The same checkout assistant, first time I was in they were behind the perspex screen with a facemask next time I'm in they're stocking the shelf right beside the designated queue space with lines to indicate 2m distance from person in front. The designated area is not 2m wide, they were not wearing a mask.
Its as bad as the airport and there security theatre, can I coin health theatre?
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I've been wearing a buff over my face out of consideration for shop workers anyway. The folks on the till are behind plastic* but the shelf stackers etc aren't and I feel bad for them.
*Reminds me of the Muirhoose chippy back in the day where the staff were behind a perspex screen for security reasons.
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Given how much govt relying on SAGE advice, maybe SAGE members could do a press conference sharing their recommendations & evidence with the public? Would get to the heart of who is calling the shots.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1255553141254377476
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Devi Lalita Sridhar is a Professor and Chair of Global Public Health at the University of Edinburgh. Her research considers the effectiveness of public health interventions and how to improve developmental assistance for health.
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A lot of these top academics seem to get round the European working time agreement? Divides her time between edinburgh and the Blavatnik School of Government
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No really
This is the right thread for this thread
https://twitter.com/cocteautriplets/status/1255467483357724672
(Especially if you’re trying to WFH)
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"trying to WFH"
one of the advantages of not living in the city in a flat, other than the big garden which is nice to sit in with coffee at morning break, listening to the birds whilst watching the movement of the trees, is the investment in private space to be able to work without being disturbed, at a proper desk with a comfortable chair, 2 monitors, etc. No need to be wearing headphones all day whilst in teams meetings, or worrying about TV or kitchen noises etc.
I've quite enjoyed WAH, will try to do more than my normal Friday when we are back to "normal". My team are mixed, some are enjoying it and some are finding routine difficult, also some people missing the social aspect and really miss the office. I never took breaks so social aspect not an issue for me.
I quite enjoy home schooling, though handing in 3 pieces of work a day with pictures and feedback on how the tasks went take almost as much time as the tasks themselves, and can take 2 1/2 hours away from work which needs to be caught up on later when boy is in bed.
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By the time the children are asleep I'm usually too tired to work properly, so I've been getting a couple of hours' uninterrupted WFH before anyone else gets up when I'd be awake anyway and I can actually concentrate. Infrastructure and equipment issues pale in comparison to worrying about making sure the kids are feeling OK and eating healthily and getting on with each other.
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Might be interesting for housing prices in the city if mass wfh becomes the new normal for the office crowd. Edinburgh's commuter belt might become more attractive if the disadvantages of the daily commute become lessened.
I'd love a bigger detached house but I prefer my 20 minute cycle in the morning.
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This is slightly depressing:
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“I'd love a bigger detached house but I prefer my 20 minute cycle in the morning“
Another new normal for some people is going to be working in the office maybe only twice a week. Perhaps some will be willing to double their commute distance (not just by bike unfortunately).
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