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Back home the antics of golfists to get in the way of people walking include building a golf course on top of an internationally-recognised walking route following the path of an old railway. They recently extended their displacement scheme,trying to double the distance people have to walk on a footway-less country road to cross it and reach the path on the other side.
Has there been a recent outbreak of a stupidity virus?
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I've been doing a bit of exploring of late and followed a path (shown on the OS map) through the Bank HQ and Gogarburn golf club. Very nice and I recommend it as a route. It is only necessary to cross a few yards of grass, the rest is service paths for the course.
I got a rant from one member of staff (the other two were more reasonable though all appeared to be unaware of the 2003 Act) about private land and cycling on a golf course (I hadn't and they were not in a position to see whether I had or not). I did not wish to get involved in an argument so left at a suitably calm point in the discussion. I felt it politic not to point out that they had built an elevated tee on the line of the path as I didn't want to wind them up.
@IWRATS: So do members of the public have the right to walk on golf courses? In short, yes.
Interesting.
This is the notice posted that I saw at Swanston yesterday:
It doesn't actually say "keep off" but: "the golf courses will no longer be available for you to roam freely and enjoy as you have for the past 9 weeks" could easily be read that way, especially if you are sufficiently put off by it not to go on to read the next paragraph. It seems to conflict somewhat with the Director's words quoted in the article: "They are entitled to walk on it, but they must treat it like a golf course." That statement strikes me as being much more concise, factual and to the point.
Being charitable (or applying Hanlon's Razor if you prefer) I would put it down to poor wording by someone whose primary role does not encompass the creation of clear and unambiguous communications* rather than deliberately trying to put people off accessing the course at all. But still I think it would be interesting to get the opinion of the council's access officer on it.
I can understand course managers being annoyed about people taking the mick and using their golf courses for family picnics (as I saw on Mortonhall at least once) and other barely-exercise-related activities. But most of those abuses are fairly clearly not within the scope of responsible access as laid down in the access code anyway, and the course managers would be entirely justified in asking people to desist.
I have to say I'm not entirely comfortable with people expressing gratitude to golf clubs for being 'allowed' to do what they have a legal right to do. More appropriate would be to express gratitude to the government that passed the legislation that gave them that right. I rather hope that the club that received a cheque in thanks from a local resident who had never walked on the course before lockdown has had the decency not to cash it.
* As compared to, say, government ministers and officials whose wages are funded from the public purse...
Part of this attitude is from the antique views swayed by the fact that in England you have no such freedoms.
@ejstubbs
You may need a stiff drink and a series of cold compresses to read it but Andy Wightman's The Poor Had No Lawyers gives a great insight into how Scotland's land has been accessed and forbidden over the years.
The 'thanks for our legal rights' thing is an echo of an ancient and ongoing war.
The chap who sent the cheque to Old Ranfurly (doubt they need the cash but you never know) WAS A member of 3 other clubs. Sheesh. Though sometimes there is a distinction between the course and the clubs that use it like Publicly owned courses like Braiids or indeed Bellieisle in Ayr where my old boy was pro at the end of his career (and no longer needing to dig ditches)
Digging ditches in boulder clay is the hardest physical work I have ever done.
FM giving latest guidance.
FM very nervous that things could kick off again.
'I am nervous and I need your help' is just the right message. But it will get out of hand no doubt.
So the recommendations is only 5 mile cycle from house seems a bit short
Need photos of Porty beach
Dell parcel was POM POMs. Sons pal in lockdown in Newcastle. She is bored so making Pom poms and PomPom Bombing her pals. For this i cycled to the Dell (twice)
Also - first time ever my IPad has ever told me it is too hot to go on
Big logs over the Harlaw car parks - will see if they get shifted
Cycle distance advice is tricky.
Orginally it was around an hour which is 6 to 10ish max miles away from home.
Then Jason Leitch said you should go for half hour walk/cycle - that was a few weeks ago after CMO got the chop.
Then it was fact you could go out more than once.
Worried that single occupancy cars will be considered PPE equipment.
One household per day.
So, the 5 miles is that how far you can drive to get your exercise or how far you can exercise?
@steveo
It's in the Getting Around section of the phased lockdown guidance
page 36 onwards.
The exercise bit says "Consistent with the rules and guidance that are applicable to any activity in this phase: Unrestricted outdoors exercise adhering to distancing measures."
Make of that what you will! I'm just following my instincts and assuming that I can cycle as far as I want for my exercise...
For all that Boris was pilloried for his less than crystal clear message, this isn't much better.
My understanding was that you shouldn't be more than five miles from your house. From the point of view of limiting the virus's travel that's what makes sense. Local exercise for local people.
You can travel for 5ish miles and then do some other exercise. So you could cycle for 5ish miles and then go for a walk.
Or drive to the Pentlands (Bonaly is just in range) and go for a walk? For example.
This distance thing is a big issue for me. The places I would go locally with the kids are now rammed and so we don't go, other than when we nip down first or lat thing, or on those glorious days when the weather is a bit crap. So we end up hammering off into East or Midlothian looking for a bit of space, going further than we probably should.
I appreciate we're really lucky to live near a beach, and that I sound like the classic grumpy Porty misanthrope, but people currently driving over to Porty to hit the beach need to rule2 the rule2 off.
No matter how clear advice might be no one will follow it in the post DC universe
If you can drive five(ish) miles - this is advice rather than the law - then anyone with a car who lives in Edinburgh can go anywhere in the city. Chuck in the ability to meet other households outdoors (plus reopened drive-thrus) then beaches, parks and the like are going to be crazy this weekend.
If it is "you should never be more than 5 miles from your house" then that is more restrictive than the lockdown we have had up to now, which had no such restriction.
@fimm, no you could not drive at all before unless you felt like it. Now you can drive 5 miles but obvs go further if you feel like it
Well no, before you could cycle further than five miles from your house. Now one interpretation would suggest a big cycle (anything worth getting the bike out for) would, and presumably there for always has been, breaking the rules?
They've out-contradicted Boris.
Quite an achievement.
Epidemiologist not optimistic about the UK of GB&NI's prospects. R- number not low enough and test and trace system too young to have meaningful impact when lockdown is eased and ignored.
I think he's basically saying we're getting a summer holiday after which a load of people will die and we'll go back into lockdown.
The exercise advice seems pretty clear;
you can now travel short distances for outdoor leisure and exercise but should remain in your local area, suggested to be five miles from your house
Don't go more than five miles from your house.
https://www.gov.scot/news/lockdown-begins-to-ease-in-phase-1/
“Don't go more than five miles from your house”
SO
Has the rule/optimist suggestion changed?
Or is it just that (some of) ‘we’ have interpreted things to suit ourselves??
"Don't go more than five miles from your house."
If you aren't going to come within at least 2 metres of another human being, and touch nothing between leaving and returning to your own front door, why?
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