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But whether you’re talking about a pandemic or a brain, the essential problem is the same – you’re trying to understand a complex system that changes over time. In that sense, I’m not doing anything new. The data is generated by Covid-19 patients rather than neurons, but otherwise it’s just another day at the office.
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Any Answers on R4 yesterday was remarkable for the number of people phoning in to support Mr Cummings.
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EDINBURGH is at risk from a double whammy of coronavirus and a no-deal Brexit from the European Union at the end of the year, a new report has warned.
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"was remarkable for the number of people phoning in to support Mr Cummings."
The problem is no one really cares, no fuss was made of Stephen Kinnock visiting his dad in lockdown. he claimed it was essential. No one calling for his head.
https://twitter.com/SKinnock/status/1243997196170772480
Robert Jenrick made a similar trip to visit hios parents, again no fuss.
Ian Blackford travelled 650 miles from London to Scotland during lockdown, no fuss made.
Truth is, the elites can do what they want.
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and note the reply from one Joanna Cherry not far down the Kinnock thread:
"Hope you gave him my love ;) take care"
https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1244000569385254912
Apologies if this has already appeared...
Streetwork is using a small but effective fleet of cargo bikes to ferry unsold food from supermarkets to homeless shelters and foodbanks around the city during the current pandemic. I wrote a blog for my work about my experiences and I thought I might share an amended version to highlight the great support the project's getting from various partners.
Comments, amends and brickbats welcomed (go easy on the brickbats though...).
Read my blog post here
Streetwork still need occasional volunteers to help pilot bikes. Let me know and I can hook you up with organisers.
@Mandopicker1
Punchy stuff - gets the message right across with no faff. I want to join in now I've read it.
Dalkeith CP opening the Town Gate today, which I guess means the car park will be open too.
Truth is, the elites can do what they want.
The way that the behaviour went unchecked, seen in the subsequent response from the public, was that it stuck up two fingers to the English sense of fair play that the great majority were observing. Even when war was imminent fair play was part of the rules*. Breaking lock down to suit oneself is like not wearing white at Wimbledon, and then having Mills Lane as the umpire, saying "I'll allow it!"
*apart from all the codebreakery stuff, mind.
Has the virus gone away? Or do we just have enough beds to go round again?
Edit: Sort of rhetorical-cynical question.
“Has the virus gone away?”
No, though, apart from hospitals and care homes, it’s not entirely clear where it concentrates or where it’s most likely to be picked up - door handles or supermarket aisles?
PT is ‘dangerous’ but not (apparently) aircraft(?)
“Or do we just have enough beds to go round again?“
Probably, IF hospitals continue not admitting ‘ordinary’ patients.
So more deaths are inevitable, increasingly among people who had expected NHS treatment - or would in future if diagnosed.
More mental health problems, especially when future employment/income realities become clearer for many people.
I’m not saying ‘end the lockdown’. The problem is it’s not just binary. There are already four lots of rules and it’s far from clear if they are appropriate for the entire areas covered by historic national boundaries.
Also unclear whether Govs, are (even slightly) ‘in control’ - if not, whether they actually realise.
The only things that seems certain are that the pubs won’t be open this summer, the police will be unwilling (and unable) to enforce “social distancing”.
It’s quite probable that ‘the weather’ will ‘go off’.
How many people will be willing to queue up outside shops in the cold and wet?
Better hope for a vaccine by October...
Some of the ruling elite from the selfish party having had it will reduce any chance of them exhibiting a shred of human empathy for those yet afraid of its transmission. They can personally pretend it isn't there.
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Still not known how long it’s been going on -
I suppose this was inevitable;
https://twitter.com/STVNews/status/1267426348764737536
Some idiot always wrecks it for everyone.
I am still somewhat confused by the exercise guidelines for Scotland. Are we supposed to be sticking to a 5 mile radius around our house on our bikes? I haven't been doing this, although I have been careful to stay close enough that I am not far away for a mrsnobrakes pickup should it be required.
I think we decided that it meant that was how far you could drive to start your exercise.
My interpretation is that you need a very good reason to be more than five miles from home.
We're trying to stop the virus moving around.
“I think we decided that it meant that was how far you could drive to start your exercise.“
I think we also decided that the rules were made by people who weren’t considering it was *possible* to cycle 5 miles.
IF SG/Police say DON’T GO more than 5 miles from your house, that would make it clearer...
Presume they haven’t been saying ‘if your nearest mountain range is 5 miles from your house, you can drive to the car park and dream of the day you’ll be allowed to walk to the top’.
I wouldn’t call it mixed messages, but it’s perhaps a grey area...
IWRATS, that can't be right otherwise they would have been talking about 5 miles right from the start, or making it clear that this is a tightening of the restrictions (in Austria, my in-laws were not allowed to go outside their Geminde (kind of parish, but not quite the same)).
5 miles is to do with how far you can drive.
Presume they haven’t been saying ‘if your nearest mountain range is 5 miles from your house, you can drive to the car park and dream of the day you’ll be allowed to walk to the top’.
EDIT I misunderstood the above. What they have been saying is that you can walk to the top now...
https://www.mountaineering.scot/coronavirus
Stay local: Limit your travel to around 5 miles for recreation and follow the current public health advice for Scotland to reduce the risk of spreading COVID-19.
Be prepared: Car parks, toilets and other facilities remain closed.
Be safe: Plan ahead and stay well within your limits - whatever your activity - to avoid the need for rescue and emergency services.
Be considerate: Think about how your actions might impact on others and follow the Scottish Outdoor Access Code at all times.
But within the pdf here
"Hillwalking to Munro level within travel restrictions"
“We're trying to stop the virus moving around.“
Yes but the 5 miles is wholly artificial.
A person with CV can take a half mile walk in a busy street passing many people (most likely) less than 2 metres away or go on a hundred mile cycle without coming across a single person.
At various times we’ve been told ‘it’s unlikely to be passed on outdoors’ and your (Probably) need to be with someone for 15 minutes before you can catch it - unless they sneeze in your face’ .
Presumably if you drive somewhere with the windows shut, the chance of catching or spreading is close to zero.
Presume the 5 miles is an expectation of the distance most people could walk (home).
IF that is the reasoning, then, perhaps, bicycle users also need to consider how far they could/would walk in the event having to abandon their machine(?)
From Nicola S’s speech on 22.05
Five miles is not a strict limit it is a guide.
Intention was to stop scenes at the weekend in Luss. It did not work the milk was curdled at the Luss Milk Bar by the sight of people using local gardens as toilets. They had certainly driven way more than five miles and had become confused.
@ Fimm -
“What they have been saying is that you can walk to the top now...“
So 5 miles (or thereabouts) is the drive (or cycle) to the start of your exercise/walk/cycle.
This bit is more relevant than the 5 miles -
“stay well within your limits - whatever your activity - to avoid the need for rescue and emergency services.“
This is good advice for all times -
“Be considerate: Think about how your actions might impact on others”
“and had become confused”
Can’t remember if that is irony or satire or just a gemboism.
I do use it a lot
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Foolish and deluded bear
Is another fave
Fellow fell off cliffs at Cruden Bay had to be rescued
No one taken a lilo out to sea though converted fishing boat sank off fleetwood Lancs with one death
So clear as mud then. I have seen multiple police cars while scooting around the granites. Never been asked to go home though. I wouldn’t go farther than walkable distance from the house if mrs nobrakes was not available for a lift.
Polis really not interested in a lone cyclist. Not sure what they would have said to the 4 chaps cycling together out by Quothquan on Sunday??
THe six bikers racing the two boy racers maybe of more interest?
Nearly 800 dispersal notices over the weekend
You break down a long way from home you will need the cavalry I guess
I've not been more than 5 miles from home on bike or on foot. I'm going by the 'stay close enough to be able to go home to pee' rule of thumb.
IWRATS, that can't be right otherwise they would have been talking about 5 miles right from the start, or making it clear that this is a tightening of the restrictions
Right at the start it was 'stay home' with one hour excursion under your own steam.
So I see this as a loosening, like with the element of judgement that has immediately been abused and will no doubt be withdrawn.
"I've not been more than..."
Lockdown has been quite a revelation, I think I've been in a shop 3 or 4 times since March. I can do all my work from home, and I've discovered lots of nice countryside walks within 3 to 4 miles from home where we won't see another person. I literally might never need to leave the town, or go into a shop again.
(Yes, yes, I know one day I'll need to go back into the office and it will spoil the lovely isolation.)
Police Scotland reported a five-fold increase in the number of groups officers were forced to disperse to 797 on Saturday alone.
At the Scottish Government daily briefing, the First Minister said there were also examples of people driving well beyond the recommended five-mile limit from home.
A 70% rise in road journeys was also a “cause of concern”, with the A82 at Loch Lomond and Glen Coe seeing a three-fold increase in traffic.
The First Minister said there had also been examples of people staying overnight in tents, caravans and motor homes, despite her plea to stay at home as much as possible.
She said: “It’s very hard to see how that could have been caused by local residents or people travelling to see loved ones.
“If there is continued evidence of even a minority not abiding by those guidelines, if people are meeting in large groups, we will have to put those guidelines into law. "
From National.
“If there is continued evidence of even a minority not abiding by those guidelines, if people are meeting in large groups, we will have to put those guidelines into law. "
Isn't part of the problem that the law says that you should only leave home for a small number of fairly specific reasons - and then the government makes announcements that effectively undermine said law? Nowhere in the The Health Protection (Coronavirus) (Restrictions) (Scotland) Regulations 2020 that I can see does it say that leaving home in order to visit friends or relatives, whether outdoors or in, no matter how socially distanced the meeting is or how many people are present, is a "reasonable excuse".
It's not entirely unreasonable to conclude that there aren't really any rules any more, just a morass of official wishlists that no-one is realistically in a position to do anything practical to enforce.
If the law says "don't" but the government's own 'guidelines' say "you kind of can", hasn't the law been fairly critically compromised?
Utterly lousy, incompetent communication all round IMO, on the back of no real attempt to actually implement anything meaningful to encourage people to toe the line. A cynic might even suspect that they're so up to their eyeballs trying to fix all the foul-ups in delivering effective medical interventions and controls that they don't have any time left to do anything even half-way useful to manage the wider social environment. Or they're too <rule 2> scared of potential civil unrest to even try to keep a meaningful lid on the situation.
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