In the olden days cars didn’t seem tiny did they?
Nope, but then neither did Wagon Wheels.
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Cars got bigger
Wagon wheels smaller?
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"In the olden days cars didn’t seem tiny did they?"
Nope, but in those days you could just be put in the boot of the average eestate and the police wouldn't mind too much*.
Think that's frowned upon now?
*Remember trips to the bumper car things races in Glenrothes, half the street in the back of the neighbours Cortina Mk3 estate.
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@Baldcyclist, @fimm, I thought we were talking about furlough.
There the employee is paid 80% of what they normally get, paid by Treasury, but cannot work for the employer.
Self-employed scheme is not furlough, as self-employed can still work (if there is any). Pegged at 80% of average monthly profits over last three years. My partner received a payment from this scheme last month.
The situation where employers are not paying employees is rather different. Don't know what a person can do in that situation other than apply for Universal Credit.
Plenty of folk driving Audis, BMWs, Mecedes, even Range Rovers round here (not me, don't have a car at all). Presume not all moneybags but possibly also some status-seekers utilising cheap leasing deals... BMW 3 Series only £250 per month, Audi and Mercedes similar, Range Rover £460. Less than renting a one bed flat in Leith...
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@Crowriver fair point on self employed childminder. However the builder is an employee, not able to do work as kindly explained by you, but also not in receipt of any money until the Govt started dishing it out a couple of weeks ago. He received no money from his company as they didn't have any to give him.
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@Baldcyclist, that doesn't seem an ethical way of treating employees. I suppose if a small company, e.g building contractor, then cashflow issues coming into play if there is no work.
Similarly if self-employed with no or very small profit over last few years then scheme not great, but then self-employment wasn't great either...
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neither did Wagon Wheels
they really were excellent value
fast and boolbuss
that's right.. the mascara snake
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@bax at least 3 Other people on here subscribe to the fast and bulbous Credo
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I'm bulbous but I don't think I have ever been described as fast.
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@bax and several others adhere to either the fast or the bulbous credos
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Critics of the distancing advice, which states that people should keep at least 2 metres apart, believe it is too cautious. They seized on the research commissioned by the WHO, which suggested a reduction from 2 metres to 1 would raise infection risk only marginally, from 1.3% to 2.6%.
But scientists who delved into the work found mistakes they believe undermine the findings to the point they cannot be relied upon when scientists and ministers are forming judgments about what constitutes safe physical distancing.
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In olden days you could fit a couple of 9 year old boys behind the seat in a Beetle. We used to drop the back seat of the wagon, put blankets down and go to sleep.
I did have a Volvo 940 with rear facing seats in the trunk but the boys got too big for it.
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Care homes are receiving far more coronavirus testing kits than they order, raising concern that the extra supplies help the government inflate the number of people it claims have been tested.
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2m will be 1m by this time next week, UK and Scottish Govt's seem to be giving in to business lobbying.
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A 1.3% increase may seem marginal but it's doubling the risk.
Indoors it may make sense as the risk appears more about the number of people in a room and the time spent there but outdoors is a different matter.
If they use it to justify full schools then you have at least 3 times the risk for everyone in the school.
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It is to open pubs but could be used come august for schools
second spike next winter?
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@gembo
jockreaper series two ?
season premiere late sept
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“second spike next winter?”
Unknown of course (except perhaps in NZ).
Not wishing CV on anyone (especially me), but I don’t feel we are getting the right/useful info.
Obviously deaths are bad. Unpleasant/premature deaths are bad. Time in hospital generally bad.
Many non CV illnesses are aren’t getting treated so potentially more ‘unnecessary’ deaths.
Obviously some people more likely to get it badly - poorly protected front line workers, people with underlying health issues etc.
But the number of those who have ‘tested positive’ is largely meaningless. Apart from the fact that those being tested seem to be a random minority, what proportion get a mild version of CV, debilitating but not serious enough for hospital, hospitalised?
Are the Govs’ aims to minimise hospital admissions, stop people getting CV because it’s unpleasant or because they might pass it on to more vulnerable people? (No doubt all to some degree.)
It’s probable that passing someone in the street 2m away has no risk - unless one person has to step into the road...
1m, less risk of stepping in to the road.
Heavy breathing jogger close enough to bump elbows, who knows?
Indoors is different. Proximity and time are factors, but a simple scale, say - 4 metres for an hour or 2m for 15 minutes or 1m for 1 minute is not possible to create.
So shop staff should probably wear masks (it will be interesting to see how many do in today’s news of shop reopening in England.)
Pubs & restaurants - there is plenty of social and commercial pressure to get them open.
For most, 2m distancing would be impossible. So, change to 1m, only allow ‘non-vulnerable’ people not living with ‘vulnerable’ people in? Or??
Perhaps the idea of ‘shield the vulnerable’ (properly) and ‘herd immunity for the rest’ will become the new policy?
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meanwhile parents are revolting. all over the place.
could be the first thing to really dent confidence in/support for the SNP
(which is perhaps why I find myself wondering if some of the impetus behind the FB group etc is not coming from Labour apparatchiks? I am probably too cynical)
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@SRD - never thought of that, not sure Scottish Labour has any apparatchiks anymore?
In same twist that saw Churchill Statue supporters giving Hitler Salutes, maybe Nick Cook getting help from London?
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“maybe Nick Cook getting help from London?“
That may or may not be against Rule 1.
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the anti-union angle is definitely more conservative in tone.
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One of the issues around children returning is that janitors dont go around with a bucket of sand or wood shavings anymore, pouring contents on the sick and waiting unti the cleaners come in at night. No the cleaners have to work all day and there aren’t really enough of them. So the GMB is a big player here in school returns.
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Chaos is Tory party's specialist subject. Agreeing stuff and then not (EU debacle).
CV-19 was always a great opportunity to demolish the managerialism(?) of ScotGov. Listening to the idea that schools might only operate one day a week face to face makes me wonder how I would feel as a parent with children at school. Media was always gunning at CfE transition but now that is least of it.
Will schools be allowed 1m distancing as that would help unlock?
Businesses need to be allowed more pavement space - getting traffic off streets is how that is done. That allows more capacity and helps environment. Suggest 2m and people will pass you at 1.5m - 1m.
Suggest 1m and people will be far too close?Posted 5 years ago # -
could be the first thing to really dent confidence in/support for the SNP
They're doing their level best to do that themselves as far as I can make out.
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I'm a bit cynical about the whole 1m distance thing. One metre distance from someone else is about normal for people even when there isn't a virus going around.
It's like a way to make it untenable for offices to stay closed for the safety of employees, while simultaneously making it difficult for nurseries and schools to operate safely.
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Kids dont stay 2 metres apart all the time in the hubs, you see they are kids. (Only 6 in those classes)
Swinney now saying must be 50-50 split.
How funny - no steer given (well try to maximise up to 50-50) then gets the 33% so then gives steer no I mean 50-50
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Presumably the 33% is due to social distancing reducing the capacity of classrooms to 1/3 of normal. So high school class of 30+ kids reduced to 10+; primary school of 25 reduced to 8+, and so on.
I was trying to figure out how CEC's solution would work: full days but 33% of School roll in at any given time.
So say Child A goes in on Monday
Child B on Tuesday
Child C on Wednesday
Child A back in on Thursday?
Friday no classesThen the following week:
Child B on Monday
Child C on Tuesday
Child A on Wednesday
Child B back in on Thursday?And so on until we get back to the start of the cycle.
So on average, a child will be in school for 1.333333 (recurring) days per week?
Which means a lot of parents WFH at least part-time...
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For this all to work, surely we have to understand how the UK came to have the 3rd highest total deaths in the world.... & then not do whatever it was that led to them.
Or is that too simple?Posted 5 years ago #
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