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Do we need a coronavirus thread?
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Posted 5 years ago #
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"Would you welcome 1 metre.
If not, would you accept?"
Difficult one.
My kids' learning has definitely suffered from not being at school. Being on screens all day too distracting, not enough social interaction. Arguably they have learned other things, but still.
Will (average) 1.3333 (recurring) days per week at school be better? Yes, but not by much.
Two days per week guaranteed would be good, if possible. However if that means 1 metre or less distance, would the risk be worth it? Will cross that bridge if it comes...Posted 5 years ago # -
@fimm: ...we'd have either watered their compost heap or...
My BiL swears by this as a way to keep your compost heap active.
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It’ll only be 1 day per week school for most pupils. Because some capacity is reserved for key-worker’s kids who’ll get 4 days per week. Fridays, the schools are closed, so only a 4 day week
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@ejstubbs - Has he done any scientific experiments to validate that?
It would, of course, need a proper statistical analysis to determine the probability of the data allowing the null hypothesis to be rejected ;)
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My dad told me to pee in the compost heap as much as I wanted when I was wee and I did and given he's a forest botanist I conclude it's a good idea.
Tried the cardboard composting thing one year but I think Scotland's too cold?
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cardboard cut into small squares works well as a layer of compost, degrades to mulch in no time
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@bax
I found a method that relied on cardboard stacked on end in a plastic crate. Supposed to give a black crumbly powder, actually gave a grey porridge which the plants seemed to like well enough.
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that sounds quite esoteric
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I hear you. It gets worse.
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(England, but) -
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Councils warn they have no legal powers to enforce ‘local lockdowns’
Local authorities ask ministers for detail on how to impose rules for regional coronavirus flare-ups
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How convenient for Boris, in the Telegraph too. -
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The two-metre rule has no basis in science, leading scientists say as the Government comes under increasing pressure to drop the measure.
Writing for the Telegraph, Professors Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson, from the University of Oxford, said there is little evidence to support the restriction and called for an end to the "formalised rules".
The University of Dundee also said there was no indication that distancing at two metres is safer than one metre.
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As far as I can tell 2m vs 1m is irrelevant indoors if you are spending an hour in the room.
So in schools this is about having 16 people in the room vs 11, about a 50% greater risk. Of course one of those people is the teacher who spent yesterday with a different 15 kids so the two halfs of the class are cross contaminated. The teacher is also spending time in rooms with other teachers so that quickly expands to the entire school. Assuming asymptomatic spreading there is a good chance the whole school is exposed as soon a a single case is present wether 33/50 or 100% of pupils are present.
The one policy I've heard which I agree with is closing a school for 2 weeks if 2 cases are confirmed in it.
However as soon as furlough ends people are not going to be willing to self isolate without pay which will be the real test.
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As far as I can tell Glasgow secondaries are planning to have the lower school in the morning, upper school in the afternoon.
There will be a 90 minute break in-between to let cleaners do their thing. I'm taking a book, recorder or harmonica for that time. The morning kids will have gone home so nobody will notice.
I cleared everything off every surface in the room last week. Not sure if the room will be used. Science has more hard surfaces and no carpet so it might be better but I think the rooms are smaller.I'm going to see the new S1 this morning. No explosions just showing them where the doors, classes and toilets are I think.
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@Murun thank you for the link. That is more detailed than what I was reading here:
https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-framework-decision-making-scotlands-route-map-through-out-crisis-phase-1-update/pages/3/
Permitted to travel short distances for outdoor leisure and exercise but advice to stay within a short distance of your local community (broadly within 5 miles)
That page doesn't mention travelling to meet family at all, it just says
Seeing family and friends
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Meeting up with another household outdoors, in small numbers (max 8), including in gardens, but with physical distancing requiredThe line about peeing on the compost heap was precisely because it is supposed to be good for it.
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North Lanarkshire doing two full days a week, clean on Wednesday.
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I haven't had time/will to read the evidence basis on the 2m rule. But I would think human behaviour needs to be taken into account. I would guess many people would not consciously note the difference between a 2m and 1.5m gap when going about their daily business. And of course some ignore the rules anyway. On the other side, I would guess there is a very large proportion of the population who are very cautious about COVID 19. They need to feel safe before going out and about.
It is noticeable that the older population seem to have been abandoned by the Tories who depend on them. Politicians are so good at short termism.
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Tourism and travel leaders have expressed disappointment and frustration after it emerged that the UK will not be taking part in an EU-led data-sharing project to reboot tourism as lockdowns lift.
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https://www.theguardian.com/business/2020/jun/16/dismay-uk-fails-join-eu-scheme-revive-tourism
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This is the best one page opinion I have seen on C19 risks. Using idea of finite amount of Covid19 social capital - I have shared the entire text widely as I like the chap's analysis but maybe just linkee here
Interesting opinion piece in BMJ:
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Edinburgh getting hammered by Scot Gov now for adhering to Scot Gov 2 metres
Even class with 6 pupils social distancing tricky
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That's a good article, gembo, thank you.
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@chdot, I think it is an extended metaphor, he is trying to get people to see that any one trip Nicola Sturgeon makes to see her wee ma has no effect on them but added together nationally we are increasing the viral load if we are all going on big long cycles with more than one household et cetera
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The problem is not the two metre/ one metre thing it's that we have to know what our end goal is.
The goal could be a certain level of immunity in the population, a certain rate of death or the elimination of the virus.
Obviously Scotland can't eliminate the virus unless it has control of its borders and the power to issue currency so we are, despite all appearances, in the hands of the lunatics in London.
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The thing about the 2m rule is it (mostly) gets you a minimum of 1m. If it goes down to 1m, it might as well not be a rule in my opinion.
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Yes trixie, you need 2 metres if you are run by laissez faire libertarians who think it is up to you to olive or die
One metre if you are able to follow guidance
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“I think it is an extended metaphor”
I’m sure that’s true.
Less sure it’s helpful!
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I found it very helpful
Why can I not do this but they can do that
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"The thing about the 2m rule is it (mostly) gets you a minimum of 1m. If it goes down to 1m, it might as well not be a rule in my opinion."
Yet 1m is the rule in numerous countries that have been more successful in suppressing the virus than the UK, as well as the minimum WHO recommendation.
1m distancing rule - China, Denmark, France, Hong Kong, Lithuania, Singapore
1.4m - South Korea
1.5m - Australia, Belgium, Germany, Greece, Italy, Netherlands, Portugal
1.8m - US
2m - Canada, Spain, UKPosted 5 years ago #
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