@Murun - not immediately obvious what way round cause and effect are there.
"Countries with a 1m rule coped better than countries with a 2m rule"
or
"Countries which coped better have been able to adopt a more relaxed distancing rule".
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@FRENCHY
LATTER if less viral load you can go to 1 metre is the CAUSATION. However being able to set rules and follow them is the correlation
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If they drop the 2 metre rule, then what reason is left to widen footways?
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Presumably the 2m / 1m thing is a decision largely based on balance of probability of outcomes, like eating 5 portions of fruit/veg a day? (there isn't a direct link, but studies indicated that people who ate 5 portions a day tended to have better health outcomes)
It won't be clear to what extent 1m vs 2m makes a difference, but it'll be impacted by lots of other important factors like the population's cultural view on face coverings, washing hands, personal space, ability to judge distance, social sense, consideration for others, inclination to stay home. Throw in macro governmental stuff like timings and extent of lockdowns and the outcomes will be all over the place.
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Queues outside Primark in England yesterday on top of each other but some had masks on Sheesh
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@Frenchy Absolutely - just pointing that probably other measures (especially testing/contact tracking/reducing nosocomial infections) appear to outweigh any particular distance standard
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I was confused at the weekend, as there were massive signs outside Next in Kirkcaldy saying they were open, and I saw people going in the shop.i didn't think clothes shops were allowed to open here yet? Maybe I mis-saw.
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@Baldcyclist did the shop have a big union flag fluttering outside and Rule Britannia blaring from the tannoy? Or are they following the rules for England "accidentally"?
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Ah, looking at Google. Maybe it's allowed to open because the shop has a Home section. Presumably clothes areas sectioned off?
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Apparently Next at Straiton and other shops were open last week.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburghs-matalan-dunhelm-next-benson-18403247
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I passed the madding crowds at Straiton on Saturday afternoon. The queueueues for Matalan and Next were enormous.
What are all these people buying?
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600,000 Jobs gone already.
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And NZ has recently had its first covid case in 24 days, thanks to someone who travelled from the UK. But NZ's strict protocols mean it's controlled.
People just can't stop travelling, can they?
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A member of my team managed to flee the UK and get back to NZ recently. 2 weeks in a hotel paid for by the state to ensure he was contagion free.
Before he left as his visa ran out he used to mock us at our Mon morning team meeting with stories of going to the pub.
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@Arellcat the NZ travellers were there to see a dying parent. Quite a sad story.
I think they would need to have been NZ passport holders to be allowed in, unless that was waived on compassionate grounds also
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Marcus Rashford has vowed not to give up after Boris Johnson rejected a plea from the Manchester United and England striker to reconsider the government’s decision not to extend its free school meals voucher system for low-income families over the summer holiday period.
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And for balance -
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Boris Johnson has executed a humiliating U-turn over free school meals for the poorest families over the summer, announcing a new £120m voucher scheme after pressure from footballer Marcus Rashford.
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In Scotland, a third of care homes still have outbreaks and staff and residents have had to cope with almost half of all deaths caused by Covid-19 in that country.
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Will lockdown all over the world have suppressed other viruses, will there be no flu this winter?
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From empty supermarket shelves to crowded parks, public behaviour has come in for criticism during the Covid-19 outbreak.
But blaming the spread of Covid-19 on selfishness or thoughtless behaviour is misguided and distracts from the real causes of fatalities, according to one of Britain’s leading behavioural psychologists.
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In-laws have been told that they can get back to their caravan in July, park opening up again. We may get up there for a break yet this year...
Also next door neighbours £50,000 BMW has been away for quite a while now. His work has obviously decided the £650 or so a month is not a worth paying just now. Also noticed when her parents visited they were in a 7 series, and not the usual Rolls Royce or Aston, times must be tough for them just now.
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Another market, another outbreak...
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There's a rather Trumpian/Brexity/Anti-vaxxer style single-issue campaign called "Us For Them". Slogan is "Get Schools Back to Normal" and campaign against social distancing for children.
Just had someone from the "Scotland group" of this campaign on Radio Scotland Drivetime claim "We are not in a pandemic at this moment and we need to change our mindset and our policies in accordance with the data."
Web site entirely about England. Tory/Brexit party types maybe?
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Possibly already posted as it's from the end of April, however the BMJ as an interesting analysis of the broad impact of the current crisis. It's set in a Scottish context, so directly relevant, but applicable to the UK as a whole.
Unfortunately it's short on mitigations but I think pretty thorough in identifying the consequences of both COVID-19 and the societal response to the disease.
Robert
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Presume this is ‘accurate’ and based on home addresses(?)
Remarkable lack of deaths in central Edinburgh.
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Presumably the remarkable lack of permanent residents in central Edinburgh has helped. Most of the students moved away prior to lockdown, presumably taking the virus with them in some cases, while the tourists have (mostly) not been allowed to come to Edinburgh and bring it with them.
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Deaths up to end of May from the National Records of Scotland. The areas are small - here is a selection of the worst 15:
3. Liberton West and Braid Hills
7. Eskbank (I was unaware that the Dominos was in Eskbank)
9. Bonnyrigg North
11. CraiglockhartNaturally there will be clusters of disease, and it has been noted that Eskbank and Bonnyrigg North have care homes.
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