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  1. CocoShepherd
    Member

    I'm mostly better to be fair, but I get recurring bouts of pleurisy, wheezing/tightness and tiredness which I think seems to happen after I go out for a ride and lasts for a few days. Definitely not as bad as it was or as bad as some have had it.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  2. LaidBack
    Member

    BBC Radio Scotland in a bit of 'ScotGov bad' mode this morning.

    - they suggested that Beer Garden owners were 'bitterly disappointed' as they thought they would open up today or monday

    - Peter Vardy Group disappointed that car sales are only at 50% of normal. Pointing out that the best alternative to PT is a car. They've got some great deals on at the moment and there's never been a better time.

    In 'good news' - Edinburgh is following Denmark by hosting a first drive in concert somewhere soon.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  3. acsimpson
    Member

    @Laidback, sounds like the news was being edited by Kay Adams.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  4. gembo
    Member

    Pub owners Lagerly and Bitterly disappointed

    Posted 5 years ago #
  5. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I'm dying for a proper pint.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  6. Stickman
    Member

    @IWRATS: The Torphin on St John’s Road has a wee hatch selling pints to takeaway. People are drinking them on the benches a bit along the road.

    I was sorely tempted yesterday.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    Bennetts (if I have spelt that correctly) next to Kings Theatre is selling two pints for a fiver, guess you can go round to the meadows/bruntsfield links and drink them

    Posted 5 years ago #
  8. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Cloisters is doing kegs.

    But I think what I really want is to sit in a pub and watch people and listen to them.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    Yes, the dust motes falling through the beery air, the contemplative solitude of a quiet pub on a weekday afternoon. THe pint slowly draining from the glass. The nod to the bar staff, the crossword coming along. Peaceful

    Posted 5 years ago #
  10. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "BBC Radio Scotland in a bit of 'ScotGov bad' mode this morning."

    I'm surprised more people aren't. Their policies, and failings on testing, care homes, ppe etc have resulted in a lot of people dying over the last few months. What's happened in care homes especially is a national discrace.

    Their releasing lockdown, opening up the economy too soon, overly devolved track and trace system, and iminent caving on 2m will result in many more over the next few months.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  11. Baldcyclist
    Member

    Back to the balloons down south...

    UK's Covid-19 alert level reduced from four to three
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53106673

    Posted 5 years ago #
  12. chdot
    Admin

    From link. -

    Health Secretary Matt Hancock said the change was "a big moment for the country" and showed that the government's plan was working.

    plan?

    Remind me.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  13. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Leaving the plan aside I'd quite like to know what the goal is.

    Is the virus to be eliminated or are we aiming for a certain level of infection or a certain level of death?

    Posted 5 years ago #
  14. algo
    Member

    The notion of a drive in concert is about as daft as it gets in my book. You'll only be supporting established artists for a start, but then driving to listen to a gig standing next to your car? Really? Maybe I'm wrong and should be persuaded it's a good idea - it just feels retrograde to me.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  15. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    "Their releasing lockdown, opening up the economy too soon, overly devolved track and trace system, and iminent caving on 2m will result in many more over the next few months."

    Numbers 1, 2, and 4 (not 'caving' but <2m distancing was always the case) of which have happened all over Europe without the sky falling in yet. There is such a thing as overprudence.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  16. Morningsider
    Member

    The decision to lower the Alert level is taken by the four Chief Medical Officers of the UK. The Scottish CMO's name is on the decision, which by default means the Scottish Government agrees - as the CMO works for them and he would not agree to this without ministerial backing.

    I'm not saying it is necessarily a great idea - just that this isn't one where Scots can just point and laugh at Westminster.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  17. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Level five (red) - a "material risk of healthcare services being overwhelmed" - extremely strict social distancing
    Level four - a high or rising level of transmission - enforced social distancing
    Level three - the virus is in general circulation - gradual relaxation of restrictions
    Level two - the number of cases and transmission are low - minimal social distancing
    Level one (green) - Covid-19 is no longer present in the UK - no social distancing

    Level 3 sounds like where the UK as a whole is at. Arguably the alert level should have been reduced sooner given restrictions have already been relaxed somewhat. Could make a case for Scotland & NI being level 2.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  18. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "which have happened all over Europe without the sky falling in yet. There is such a thing as overprudence."

    @Murun Buchstansang
    We may well get lucky, I think the difference was that all of those EU countries that relaxed, did so at a point where new infections were at a much lower rate than here.

    Our new infection rate is *now* at the level other countries started their initial minimal releasing.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  19. neddie
    Member

    "guess you can go round to the meadows/bruntsfield links and drink them"

    Yeah, but please don't use the Primary School and High School grounds as a toilet as some people have been doing...

    Pretty irresponsible to sell drink when there are no toilets available IMHO

    Posted 5 years ago #
  20. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "The decision to lower the Alert level is taken by the four Chief Medical Officers of the UK. The Scottish CMO's name is on the decision, which by default means the Scottish Government agrees"

    How odd, does that mean Scotland has *2* current alert levels, or even more baffling does it mean that Scotland, Wales, and N. Ireland can change their alert levels unilaterally, but England needs permission from the other nations?...

    Mud is clearer.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  21. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    @Baldcyclist One alert level to rule them all

    Posted 5 years ago #
  22. chrisfl
    Member

    Has anyone else been watching the Symptoms Study, COVID-19 app data - https://covid.joinzoe.com/data

    I figure that because 3 million people are reporting symptoms, they're most likely to pick up any increase in cases.

    Scotland has now dropped right to the bottom of the daily new infections, and they're estimating R=0.6 (0.2 to 0.9) I'm wandering if Scottish Government are hoping to get number right back down.

    At work today, an Italian Customer is not happy, it seems that they're mostly back to normal and so want us to travel out to configure the system they've bought.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  23. Morningsider
    Member

    @Baldcyclist - my understanding is that the five "Alert levels" are an attempt to give the public an idea of the general risk of infection. They are separate from the "levels" set out in the various route-maps and plans produced by the four UK administrations to guide the nations out of lockdown.

    I'm not saying this make any sense though.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  24. LaidBack
    Member

    Most people we know just feel that ScotGov seems to be more coherent even if flawed. With BJ absent most of the time down south that isn't hard.

    Does anyone think England should become a fully devolved nation btw? This to avoid confusion about the daily briefings from London.
    Or would it be better if we had a pan-UK health authority? (also would make sense in Ireland to have one set across that island?)

    @algo - agree drive in concerts are horrible prospect.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  25. gembo
    Member

    @algo, like a drive in movie?

    Our cinema is contemplating a Glyndbourne style sitting on the grass projecting on to our Big screen but the silent movie The Srtist (does still gave music so neighbours might complain)

    Does require a dry evening

    Posted 5 years ago #
  26. Baldcyclist
    Member

    "This to avoid confusion about the daily briefings from London"

    I don't know, they are quite useful as they give us an insight into what will be happening/opening up here in 2 weeks - bets on apple/google app being annouced here soon?

    Also if we didn't see them, we wouldn't be able to mock/judge...

    Posted 5 years ago #
  27. chdot
    Admin

    Over 1,000 deaths a day: UK ministers accused of downplaying Covid-19 peak

    Official toll passed a thousand on 22 consecutive days – far more than daily briefings said

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/19/over-1000-deaths-day-uk-ministers-accused-downplaying-covid-19-peak

    Posted 5 years ago #
  28. gembo
    Member

    Went to Stockbridge at 4pm for Quandong for the HT - traffic almost back to normal

    Came back murrayfield and up tram route, busy in park but quiet in Saughton Path

    Posted 5 years ago #
  29. chdot
    Admin

    “Yeah, but please don't use the Primary School and High School grounds as a toilet as some people have been doing...

    Pretty irresponsible to sell drink when there are no toilets available IMHO”

    Agree.

    No idea what ‘responsible’ people have been doing lately (limit to number of available compost heaps...)

    At least you can visit friends’ toilets now!

    Posted 5 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    UK transport ministers asked train companies to dress staff in the purple tabards meant for “journey makers”, after the promised “army” of volunteers to remind travellers to wear a face covering failed to materialise this week.

    The last-minute request to keep up appearances, relayed to train operators by the Rail Delivery Group, was largely rejected by bosses, it has emerged.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/19/uk-rail-bosses-rejected-call-to-dress-staff-like-face-mask-volunteers

    Posted 5 years ago #

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