I thought SNP/Tory voted this down??
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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes
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@gembo - voted down at stage 2, but a reworded amendment passed at stage 3. With Conservative support, SNP opposition.
@acsimpson - the stage 2 amendment was to extend the maximum duration of a TTRO from 18 months to 24 months. I'm not sure what the difference between the stage 2 and stage 3 amendments was.
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@acsimpson @gembo the original amendment was to extend the life of pop-up cycle lanes and walkways from 6 to 24 months, but was rejected. The version that was accepted was to extend them from 6 to 18 months instead. At least that's what I understood from @markruskell's Twitter account...
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How long did it take to get approval for the line of concrete cubes along the shoreline at Gullane in 1940 I wonder?
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Sustrans Scotland now promoting a webinar on the subject of dealing with setbacks;
https://mobile.twitter.com/SustransScot/status/1263365175689850882
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The amendment that passed is not quite the victory it might seem.
Currently, a TTRO has a maximum duration of 18 months, unless it applies to a footpath, cycle track, byway or bridleway – in which case it can only remain in force for six months. The amendment that passed was to increase this six-month period to 18 months.
Wider pavements and pop-up cycle lanes will be installed on roads - where the maximum duration for a TTRO was already 18 months.
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@Morninsider et al
Although it will stop the SNP scrapping them after 6 months?
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@gembo - no. On-street TTROs have always had a maximum duration of 18 months. This doesn't change.
The change in duration from six to 18 months is for TTROs that would apply to routes such as the NEPN or MMW, which are entirely separate from roads already. I'm not sure how this really helps.
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@Morningsider, I understood your point. I am saying that as the path for cycling thing was 6 months some critics, I can think of one around roseburn for instance might try a stupid argument that the temporary path on the road was a path and therefore had to go after 6 months. This was my point. But I accept it is largely or if you want entirely Status Quo. Whatever You Want
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NYC’s attempt at a pop-up cycle lane. It’s, well... it’s certainly an attempt at something.
https://twitter.com/bikenewyork/status/1263216003116412931?s=21
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@gembo: "Edinburgh is weird it has both the highest number of cars per household and the highest number of cyclists"
That's perhaps not as contradictory as it sounds. You do have to be relatively well-off to be able to afford either a car or a bike (at least, before the likes of the Bike Station came into existence).
Even a £100 drainpipe special might be outwith the easily disposable income range of many people, such as people in poorly paid jobs (also more likely to be the sort of workplaces which don't take part in the bike to work scheme), students (at least in the days before they just had to shrug and accept the terrifying level of debt they are being expected to take on (although Edinburgh being a city with perhaps more students who have rich mummies and daddies than many other places do)), etc.
The sort of people who can afford one or more cars are also likely to be the sort of people/families who can afford one or more bikes. For a long time post-uni, with debt repayments, etc, I was only just earning enough that I could only just afford to buy and keep one (semi-decent) bike running (and as my main mode of transport, it would have been a false economy to have bought a cheap bike).
(Luckily, I could now in theory afford a second bike, but it would still take me several months to save up, but I am not far enough up the wealth scale (not by any stretch) to be able to afford a flat with a big enough hall to store extra bikes in!)
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No update on measures on the agenda for next weeks Policy & Sustainability committee which is a bit disappointing: https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/ieListDocuments.aspx?CId=135&MId=5512&Ver=4
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It's now or never for cycling. If Edinburgh doesn't lock in the new cyclists in the next week the game's up.
If they do lock in a new cohort of cyclists we'll need to find a way of indicating that we are real cyclists from the Before Times.
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@IWRATS think it is drip drip rather than binary
Folk are buying bikes but they wont all ride them unless we turn edinburgh into what used to be calleD PEKING. Dont get me wrong that would get my vote.
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On the other hand, nearly new mtb for Christmas...
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Zactly. Bike's just a toy unless you can get where you're going. These cycles will moulder in garages and spare rooms unless there are segregated lanes on the radial and peripheral roads. Window of opportunity closing.
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Graham Stapleton, the chief executive of Halfords, said the buyers were not the usual “mamils” – middle-aged men in lycra. “We’ve seen a big growth in the number of female customers,” he said, “and younger, under-35s buying bikes.”
For years most of the growth in the market has come from expensive road bikes favoured by those “mamils”, while sales of commuter and family bikes have been pedestrian.
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"If they do lock in a new cohort of cyclists we'll need to find a way of indicating that we are real cyclists from the Before Times."
I realise you are saying this in jest but we need to keep in mind that these new cyclists are in every way real, perhaps more so than the battle hardened amongst us. They don't have years of experience taking primary and are exactly the sort of cyclists which we have spent years campaigning for.
These are the people who we have previously said will start cycling once high quality infrastructure exists to get them through places like Roseburn. Many have no interest in cycle campaigning but the presence on new lanes will be enough for me.
The size of our smiles as we cruise through these lanes knowing what has been won will be enough to mark us out.
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As I posted upthread a fortnight ago.....behaviours will only change permanently if the streets and roads are changed permanently. Nothing proposed is permanent, ergo this is intended to be, and will be temporary.
Carlton Reid updated his (rather long) article on the early 1970s bicycle boom in the US, which basically surmises that bicycles were a short-lived fad: primarily, but not entirely because the streets were not changed (as in the Netherlands at the same time).
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@Morningsider: Wider pavements and pop-up cycle lanes will be installed on roads
On the subject of pavements, has there been any progress on the banning of pavement parking since (IIRC) the bill was passed last October?
Certainly nothing seems to have changed in the behaviours of those who regard the footway as a parking space (and one which also negates any parking restrictions which might be in place e.g. the <rule 2> I saw this morning who had parked his Volvo estate* with two wheels on the pavement and straddling the zig-zags at a pelican crossing). Five feet in front of his car there were no zig-zags or parking restriction of any kind. Lazy <rule 2>ing <rule 2>.)
* As in, as estate car - although the space it occupied could have accommodated a modest country estate.
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And next to nothing has been done to make conditions safe for these new cyclists.
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Shall we return to our previous practice of cold-iron blacksmithing or 'cycle campaigning' as it's known?
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How about something that is quicker and has more fruitful results - say, turning base metals into gold or cold fusion.
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@ejstubbs, was the Volvo there for more than 20 minutes though? Did you hang around and time it?
If less than 20 minutes, totally legal now under the new legislation which I prefer to call Short Term Pavement Parking Legalisation (honest guv I'm just popping in here for a minute).
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@ejstubbs and crowriver - the sections of the Act that prohibit footway parking are not yet in force. The Scottish Government is still to issue guidance to local authorities, who then need to survey their streets - to decide which will be exempted. Only once this is done will the ban come into force. Gut feeling - 18 months to two years before this happens (if ever - could it be binned as part of any Coronavirus recovery plan? Not impossible)
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1) The roads are half-empty
2) There's a public health emergency
3) Bike shops are selling everything they can get their hands on
4) Cities all round the world are whacking in high quality temporary networks
5) Edinburgh is fiddling about with isolated leisure facilities
6) What are we going to do?Posted 3 years ago # -
6) What are we going to do?
That sounds like...... A CONSULTATION!
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Consult on it and they will comment.
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Direct action!
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