Also based on a quick drive by on street view there are only 8 properties on Salvesen Terrace and they all seem to have driveways....
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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes
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Heard that a driver ploughed into the back of a van parked in one of the floating parking spaces on Lanark Road at the weekend. Van pushed off the road, car thoroughly squished - both vehicles written off.
Being blamed on SfP rather than the driver not looking of course.
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So, will Police charge driver or CEC??
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Slightly OT, but -
https://www.theguardian.com/money/2021/jun/01/race-for-space-fuels-surge-in-uk-property-prices
Shows (some) people (who can afford it) ‘want different’.
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Back in the topic (really) -
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One of the most damning effects on both indoor children and the backseat generation is their growing disconnect from the world around them. When no longer able to explore their streets unsupervised by foot or bicycle, the space between their relative “zones” – homes, school, community centre, etc. – become vast oceans that are impassible without the assistance of their caregivers. Dr. Karsten describes this as “the city as an archipelago”, where, because travel is so intensely supervised and controlled, many children don’t know how to get from their home to any of their other regular destinations.
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Preventing cars from using neighborhood streets as thoroughfares created an environment where even decades later, young children can safely travel within their community.
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https://www.john-adams.nl/the-child-friendly-city/
It’s not just about temporary/disconnected cycle infrastructure...
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@chdot
"Shows (some) people (who can afford it and have access to a car) ‘want different’. "
FTFY
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57315385.amp
“ And at least £100m must be set aside for the healthy streets programme - which funds Low Traffic Neighbourhoods - and active travel programme, as part of the deal.”
More support from the top of the Conservative government. When will local councillors take notice?
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“and have access to a car“
Not necessarily.
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@chdot, there may be some folk who move to "the countryside" without access to a car, but they are likely very few in number.
A couple of years ago I went back to the village in the north west of England where my maternal grandparents used to live. I walked across the moors from the nearest train station about 5 miles away down in the valley. Still a lovely village along a hill ridge, with a couple of good pubs, one serving its own excellent ale brewed on the premises (and cheap too). Still with a primary school and two churches. However the shops had long since gone. There was a bus stop and handsome shelter, but no bus service - a victim of local government austerity a decade ago. So while not impossible it would be challenging to live there without a car.
Might be a better situation in certain parts of Scotland, but outwith the central belt also quite challenging to live car free. Patchy public transport, facilities might not be handily nearby.
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Yes the Tory Govt funds these initiatives but does nothing about the opposition from local tories.
Seems to be a disconnect?
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Consultation results due to be published today.
https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/06/opinion-transport-convener-on-spaces-for-people-2/
To those who question Sustrans’ influence over our decisions – Sustrans is a respected, national charity and we value their input highly. But these decisions are very much our own. It’s our responsibility to protect citizens’ safety, to support businesses to thrive and to give children and families space to enjoy safe, pollution-free routes.
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Black and white bollards now in place on Broughton Street. Looks much better.
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@mga It looks like the workies are busy putting these in down Rodney Street as well, which is great.
Taking the railings out has made a huge difference to pedestrian crossing times at the Mansfield Place/Broughton Street roundabout. It's just a shame that a number of drivers (a minority, thankfully) are treating the painted redesign of the roundabout as just paint, and still tearing through it at unreasonable speeds.
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https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/06/council-to-consider-spaces-for-people-again-in-june/
The main observations from both sources of feedback can be summarised as follows:
- that the people who were more aware of the schemes were generally more supportive of them being retained
- that of those responding to the market research, a majority supported keeping all types
- that those supporting measures around schools were exclusively individuals (businesses were almost universally opposed to these safety measures)
- businesses were almost all against the Spaces for People measures, and in particular shopping streets
- Most people understood the benefits of making active travel safer for children especially to and from school, of improving spaces for people walking, cycling or for those who have mobility issues, and also improving links to green spaces
- BUT those who saw the measures as disadvantages regard them as increasing traffic and congestion, inconveniencing car users, making it difficult for residents to park or receive deliveries, making deliveries and parking difficult for businesses and in shopping streets
there is low support for town centre measures (such as those in place in Morningside for example)- the lowest levels of support were for leisure connections and Quiet Connections, with many market research respondents saying they weren’t aware of these measures.
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These safety measures are stopping my business getting parked.
Down with safety
Down with fresh air
Down with children
Down with the future
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What is interesting is that around 20 percent of business respondents were unaware or unaffected by the school measures as well as quiet connections.
Opposition for opposition’s sake. Well done to the councillors and MSPs who have used this for short-term political advantage.
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apparently fuller results due to be posted here
but nothing yet.
Left hand side of the table that EEN posted makes for painful viewing.
Framing the consultation as a referendum is a stupid idea, bad management to let that happen. Poll after poll shows people want more cycle lanes. Surely this Guardian article today should reinforce some spines before council election next year https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2021/jun/02/the-evidence-is-in-low-traffic-neighbourhoods-are-popular.
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Responses now up on the council website link here: https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/spaces-people-1/spaces-people-moving-forward-1/5?documentId=13143&categoryId=20299
Also published today:
The people surveyed want:
- More segregated cycle paths
- More considerate drivers
- They strongly support dedicated cycle lanes in their local area
- Well maintained pavements
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Aye, Edinburgh is completely *******.
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From link
Ah yes, these minor measures to get back some of the public space away from cars is “being imposed on us”
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I waded in on a few posts on that Facebook group, but it shows nicely how deranged and organised this hyper vocal minority is.
Someone claimed they'd cycled for 70 years but was too afraid to cycle in case their wheel clipped the base of a bollard. (How they managed to cycle on all the roads with curbs before this is unclear).
It's 10,000x easier to oppose something than create something. I think the council need to dig in on sanity, and not let the lunatics feel like they're gaining momentum.
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Almost comical how some people are so self important.
‘I’ve been a bit inconvenienced. SOMEONE MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
NOW!!
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Of course that post might just be extreme irony.
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Can see the wider consultation had both cyclists and motorists overrepresented vs the market research one.
Majority support in all 3 domains for the SfP intervention I use the most: Duddingston Road, which is a small gain.
South (then West) Edinburgh seems to have been the one to take the biggest hammering on the full public one (I think there was organisation here right? SWEM or something?)
Only three interventions the market research was against that are built:
Milton Road West (-11%) ;Willowbrae Road (-4%); Whitehouse Loan (-4%); Silverknowes Road North (-2%; this has already been changed no?)Willowbrae Road has nothing that could possibly be a nuisance anyway does it? just some junction protection (not including one I got right hooked at). Milton Road West removes some parking I guess, but otherwise, it's hard to imagine why it seems so opposed? Perhaps it's just a well driven but not well cycled road, so it's more lacking proponents than having excessive opponents)
Whitehouse Loan is the b*, as it's probably one of the biggest benefits.
and two yet to be built:
Drum Brae North; Orchard BraeCan't imagine why Orchard Brae would be singled out, unless there are some mega pay and display fans out there. It's a gaping hole in the new network up there at the moment.
Issue with the location specific market research ones is it starts to become a noisy sample size. They have value in aggregate (support is intervention specific not just general support for principles), but hard to say why something is an outlier.
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I thought this had been shared here already, but don't see it. Lesley macinnes tries to pre-empt / respond to some of these complaints:
https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/06/opinion-transport-convener-on-spaces-for-people-2/
"Through the Scottish Government, via Sustrans, we’ve been awarded £5.25m in total specifically to provide additional space for physical distancing in the pandemic – and I want to be clear that we can’t spend this money on filling potholes or elsewhere."
"To those who question Sustrans’ influence over our decisions – Sustrans is a respected, national charity and we value their input highly. But these decisions are very much our own."
"We have no intention of pushing through any permanent schemes under the cover of Spaces for People. We want to bring the people of Edinburgh along with us"
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Yeah upthread, but worth the reminder.
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There does seem to be something of a crossover between those who want the SfP schemes ripped out and those who seem to believe the pandemic is over and we can all just get back to BAU.
In reality the pandemic is far from over, unfortunately. Which means that SfP schemes need to continue for the time being. Presumably this then feeds into the paranoia and "frustration" felt by those opposed to the schemes.
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Some guerrilla street sweeping inside the bollards on Lanark Rd this morning. Not so different from chopping overgrowth. Interested whether anyone will notice the difference, it wasn't too bad before but little and often etc.
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