Q Cllr @davidfkey Any evidence of #BlueLight delays?
A Only 2 cases, both now redesigned. Recent mtg with #BlueLight services supports SfP
https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1405511736342450178?s=21
CityCyclingEdinburgh Forum » Infrastructure
Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes
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Seems a strange decision to me. I'm at the wrong side of town for the Lanark Rd but I know one colleague who just recently moved from Juniper Green who was singing it's praises. I also don't see how retaining the 30mph limit can be seen as a "small victory" as it won't be enforced.
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@chdot
“Going to tandem up it tomorrow“Delayed due to too much to do at shop. Doing on Friday now. Will get some shots / vid.
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Presumably if they make the 30mph limit permanent, the width of the carriageways can be reduced to reflect the lower passing speeds, thereby generating space for a segregated cyclelane?
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In fact not one SNP or Lab councillor spoke to scrap #LanarkRoad
Cllr @davidfkey passionate to keep it and, not putting words in mouths, our *impression* was that @lmacinnessnp @KarenDoran3 #CllrEleanorBird felt same
Looks like majority decisions within their wider party groups
https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1405607996185583617?s=21
The Fergus Ewing hunting/fishing/gas guzzling wing of the SNP is still in charge.
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To clarify on #SpacesForPeople
The #TransportCommittee decision earlier in this thread will now be referred to full Council on 24 June for debate by all councillors and then a final decisioN
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https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1405559632505061380
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Does anyone understand why councillors so keen to give in to people with drive on the one route where there’s lots of room for better, MANY people think the lanes are a REAL improvement and someone got killed - which (almost directly) resulted in PoP?
Am I correct in saying officials recommended keeping Lanark Road lanes and The Coalition decided differently?
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Rush hour but NO issues with traffic flow. As a long term resident of Lanark Road it has never felt safer than in the past few months and I have enjoyed walking and cycling near my home. I will be joining the inconsiderate ranks of car drivers again if #SpacesForPeople scrap this
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https://twitter.com/moiragr80480815/status/1405501075650646017
Anyone know her?
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The answer to the second question is Yes.
The first question is well beyond my pay grade.
Separately, everyone should watch the deputation from Blackford Safer Routes/Spokes South Edinburgh, particularly the video at the start.
2:18 into this: https://edinburgh.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/574754
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@Frenchy,
That's a wonderful video. I thought Councillor Millar's question was a good one too. (She asked about the benefits of the cycle lanes in what is a hilly area).
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Over the first three hours of the meeting, the transport committee heard deputations from 14 different community and activist groups, which each wanted to speak about individual junctions and specific schemes they either supported or objected to.
The ruling SNP/Labour administration wants to keep the majority of Spaces for People schemes in place for another 18 months, albeit without the temporary measures around shopping districts and on Lanark Road, which are due to be scrapped.
The schemes they want to take forward will be retained using Experimental Traffic Regulation Orders (ETROs), which would give the council another 18 months to assess the effect of each scheme.
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I think it’s clear that SNP/Lab are fearing the electoral consequences of defending some aspects of S4P - particularly the ones with the most organised opposition.
This is obviously depressing for many reasons but is unlikely to be a successful strategy. It doesn’t seem very likely that the ‘status quo antis’ will be thinking ‘they’ve listened so we’ll keep/start voting SNP/Lab’.
The coalition will have demonstrated a complete failure of leadership/principle that may encourage some people to vote Green.
The antis will not rest and have their cheerleaders willing to misrepresent aspects of S4P and completely ignore most aspects of the realities of ‘too much traffic’/climate change:social inequity (see arguments about ‘poor people being excluded from the city centre because they have older cars…)
Whether these defenders of people’s ‘rights to drive how they like’ will actually affect the next election remains to be seen, but it’s already stopping policies that are in the real interests of more people than they inconvenience.
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Our city has been ruined. There has been a disastrous effect on some businesses and shops, confusion over routes around the city and chaos when it comes to the ridiculous set up of cycle paths, bollards, parking spaces and road blockages. Horrendous congestion has been left on the roads left open for cars, trade vans, deliveries and sometimes buses too.
Like the Tory councillors, I’m happy with cycle lanes, banning of cars around schools and broadening of pavements for pedestrians if the road is broad enough. I also understand we have to try and reduce petrol emissions so banning cars from the city centre might be tolerable.
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Take no notice of Covid or try to learn and build back better/differently.
Change bad, facts bad.
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Like the Tory councillors, I’m happy with cycle lanes, banning of cars around schools and broadening of pavements for pedestrians if the road is broad enough.
Lanark Road is broad enough - one of the broadest streets in city. If they really believe in the right to drive unimpeded they should campaign to broaden Lanark Rd through Juniper Green (!)
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Transport hierarchy says that if a road ain't wide enough for cars, you take the cars out.
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SNP hierarchy appears to say that if a road is too wide for cars you take the bikes out.
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ShellFord complex say If a road is too narrow for cars then Make Bigger Cars
People buy these overly wide, high and long cars with impunity. They are all insane,
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Slightly OT, but I can't help noticing that the Lib Dem candidate who won the Chesham and Amersham by-election did so in large part by campaigning against HS2 - which the party apparently supports at a national level. Can anyone detect a pattern here?
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Meanwhile elsewhere:
https://road.cc/content/news/govt-tells-councils-it-wont-fund-painted-cycle-lanes-284203
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https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/06/opinion-spaces-for-people-are-spaces-for-children/
Interestingly, my attention was drawn to this article by a tweet from Labour councillor Maureen Child.
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Quick question about the Queensferry Road / ESMS cycle lane. The coaches transporting kids stop three times a day on the double yellows blocking the cycle lane and entrance to the enclosed cycle lane for about a half hour at a time. The drivers tell me (in a rather robust way) that they are permitted to by the police and council. Given the double yellows and pop up lane are new why would the council put them there if they were permitting them to be blocked 3 times a day? Does anyone know if the coaches are permitted thee by the cooncil and polis and if so why?
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Do the double yellows have no loading bars? Do the buses have blue disabled badges? They're the relevant things I think. You might find that if no parking was actually to be enforced the council would just remove the lanes, caveat emptor
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Yeah, that's allowed. That section is "No stopping except buses".
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@stickman, from twitter I would say that there are definitely a few labour and SNP councillors who may not fully support the coalition position.
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@SRD - Have you found any who do support it?
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Thanks @frenchy @dave
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“Yeah, that's allowed. That section is "No stopping except buses".“
Sure, but the idea is stopping - ie for service buses(?)
“for about a half hour at a time“
Surely that’s parking?
“the council would just remove the lanes, caveat emptor“
All about ’balance’ of course…
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Surely that’s parking?
Yeah, good point. I think the relevant wording in the guidance is buses can stop there "for so long as may be necessary" to pick up/drop off passengers. Which the school/bus company will probably argue they're complying with.
Not sure if there's anywhere more suitable for them to wait until shortly before pick up time.
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The cycle lane (pictured) may or may not have anything to do with it, but some people will drag it into it.
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@Frenchy they have a huge drive in front of the building and more real estate than most major public facilities. They have places to park, just not as easily as on the public road. ...car parking at the rear too
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