GEM’s latest emission.
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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes
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Consultation on the Braid Road/Comiston Road changes is live. Letters sent to nearby residents but it's not clear whether they're accepting feedback from the wider community. I see no harm in filling in the survey if you do have an interest in seeing the changes kept anyway: https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/braid-comiston-engage/
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Not sure what the point of that GEM thing is.
It’s aimed at (only?) the people who signed a letter asking for SfP measures to be kept.
It has anecdotes from people adversely affected.
ANY change is bound to impact some people in a negative way, but sadly (ignoring Climate Crises etc.) after 50 years (and more) of enabling car use - with benefits and disbenefits, we are in a place where there is a small desire for tiny changes to redress the ‘balance’.
But that is too much for some people.
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I wonder if anyone will actually read all of that GEM thing? If I received a printed version I'd be worried about dropping it on my foot.
Filled in the Braid Road consultation. The only decent option is 4 as it maintains protection for uphill cyclists, but 2 and 3 include a two-way and one way filter so are probably preferable to 1.
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Hmmm - KEMs main argument is that 144 health professionals should really have thought about sick and disabled people. It's...well, I don't know...a bold move!?
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I think there must be an assumption that said health professionals only care about people well enough to walk/cycle…
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Apparently these are the only houses allowed to respond to the Braid/Comiston Road consultation, they just neglected to mention that on the survey portal. Responses will be filtered by postcode but honestly that's not reliable - they'd be better doing pen and paper from the affected houses.
I find it bizarre only involving those directly on the road in the consultation rather than the community at large who would also be using the infrastructure.
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The whole approach is idiotic. There should be a single, cohesive, city-wide design plan in place covering public transport, new cycling routes, and traffic circulation(out of residential areas, out of the city) created at the same time by engineers with a clear instruction to focus on the hierarchy and active travel, then stick it in a manifesto and - assuming you gain power - just effing *do it*.
You can't redesign a city block-by-block, neighbourhood-by-neighbourhood if you have any hope of creating a cohesive network and driving down car use.
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@Yodhrin: I’ve heard rumours that work is underway but it’s a huge job.
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Oh well, it was nice being able to cycle on Braid Road while it lasted.
Pretty weird selection of addresses. If they're going for local streets for local people, that's surely more than just living 30cm off Comiston Road.
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Hang on a minute! So they're saying that whilst people at e.g. Midmar can have their views around Comiston Road cycle lane taken into account, those living a similar or smaller distance to the West and who make use of the Cycle Lanes will be ignored?.....
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@twinspark: exactly - it completely misses the bigger picture.
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The consultation itself mentions impacts on Greenbank Drive!
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Doesn’t look like Cllr Prof gets consulted (see map).
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Our roads are potholed. Too often, our footpaths are grubby and the bins are overflowing. I see this every day on my cycle to work from my home in Buckstone. This is not a criticism of the City of Edinburgh Council’s hardworking staff, their budget has been cut year-on-year and it’s right that education and social care are protected as much as possible.
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If they only want responses from certain addresses then surely they'll need to visit every house in the area which submitted a response to check it was actually them? Since anyone can look up a postcode via Royal Mail...
As for that GEM publication - I can't my head around some of the anecdotes, especially this one:
“Last week I picked up an elderly lady from the bike lane (Comiston Road). She used the bike lane because it looked better for her footing, but ended up twisting her ankle on the block things with bollards.”
How do you manage to walk along the bike lane and make contact with a bollard block?
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Tories now using disability groups. Lovely.
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GEM/SWEM/KEM appearing at council today to explain why medics are stupid.
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GEM/SWEM/Kem
Opinions Just as valid as people with brains.
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“When you make choices to prioritise private car travel you choose also to differentially harm the most disadvantaged members of the city’s population.”
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The antis keep mentioning the "negative impact on disabled people". I think it is important to look at what this means, which is set out in the bowels of a Council committee paper.
A minor negative impact includes:
Introduces a segregated cycle lane where more than 90% of properties have off-st parking.
Introduces a segregated cycle lane where it is possible to still park on st over 90% of the road length.
Introduces floating parking spaces adjacent to the segregated cycle lane.A significant negative impact includes:
introduces segregated cycling and majority of properties don’t have off-st parking and on-st parking is possible on less than 90% of the road.
properties/businesses/services that don’t have off-st parking are more than 50m walk from a place that blue badge holders can park.In effect, it is almost impossible to install a segregated cycle lane without it being deemed to have a "negative impact" on disabled people. No other transport intervention is held to such a standard. No account seems to have been taken of the experience of places with extensive networks of cycle lanes. It is assumed that disabled people receive no benefit from segregated cycle lanes. Parking is the sole standard against which the impact on disabled people is measured.
This was a gift to the antis from the Council.
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Forgot to also mention. Transport Scotland research shows:
A lower percentage of disabled people possess a driving licence (51% vs 75%) and a lower percentage have access to a car (52% vs 77%).
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Brent Toderian (@BrentToderian) Tweeted:
“In just two years, we transformed a city with almost no cyclists, to a city where bikes have a central role... The secret was treating cycling like transportation — building an entire network of connected lanes, instead of a few disconnected lanes...”“
https://t.co/mpMajgKBbZ https://twitter.com/BrentToderian/status/1440849775125880837
https://usa.streetsblog.org/2020/10/13/best-practices-how-seville-became-a-city-of-cyclists/
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Disabled people have a right to an analysis of any environment to ensure it is disabled friendly. The two lane highway with speeds at 40mph regardless of speed limits and poor sight lines from parked cars with no proper crossings and where a cyclist was killed is not such an environment and it is appalling that the tories are doing this. It actually turns my stomach.
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If there are 168,000 of which only 6,500 have blue badges there must be a very large number who aren't negatively impacted by changes to parking.
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#BikeIsBest / YouGov survey
YouGov research shows the public is overwhelmingly in favour of measures to encourage walking and cycling with 6.5 people supporting changes to their local streets for every 1 person against.
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The council are doing a great job in further sabotaging their own survey results...
The survey is available on the Consultation Hub and residences outwith the targeted area are still able to complete it if they wish. In our reporting of the results we will make it clear what the responses were, from within the target area, from within relevant post-codes, and from across all responses received. As such, residents in the wider area may still participate.
So, uh, what if the results from the wider area contradict those from the targeted area? Impossible to get a solid decision from that data.
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Hmm, still debating whether to pick a postcode off Google Maps and use one of my online indentities to complete the consultation, or be honest.
@twinspark: So they're saying that whilst people at e.g. Midmar can have their views around Comiston Road cycle lane taken into account, those living a similar or smaller distance to the West and who make use of the Cycle Lanes will be ignored?
You mean people like me, who happen to live in the area actually marked on the map as "Comiston"?!
Posted 3 years ago # -
The Rapido has become even posher in it’s unsuccessful battle to topple L’alba doro from title of Edinburgh’s poshest Chip Shop.
Is this knock on from digging up leith walk?
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