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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes

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  1. chdot
    Admin

    “those with knowledge of on-street delivery“

    Many?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    At least one but I get what you are saying.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. acsimpson
    Member

    Knowledge and experience aren't always the same.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. Frenchy
    Member

    Stanley Street closure has happened: https://twitter.com/SpokesPorty/status/1266333239825895425

    More please.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. CycleAlex
    Member

    @Stickman Given Grant Shapps'/DfTs impressive comments on delivering things in weeks, it's quite surprising they still haven't given any money out three weeks later.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. Rob
    Member

    Half of Great Junction Street has 2 lanes coned off.... for fibre work on the pavement. At least it's wider than it would normally be.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. Morningsider
    Member

    @Rob - those road works are authorised under exactly the same system used to create temporary cycle lanes and wider footways. The guidance governing the layout of roadworks was updated on 9 April, with the aim of facilitating social distancing for workers and the public.

    How can work sites that allow social distancing be quickly installed on out streets, but not temporary cycle lanes and wider footways. Why!?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. Stickman
    Member

    New website from the council. Add your comments here....before 29 June.

    https://edinburghspacesforpeople.commonplace.is/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. Stickman
    Member

    From that website, it looks like the Crewe Road lane will be segregated, not advisory:

    The next phase, which we’re currently consulting local councillors and stakeholders on, will significantly enhance conditions for those cycling to and from the city’s main hospitals. Our plan is to install around 3km (2 miles) of temporary segregated cycle lanes on Crewe Road South, leading to the Western General, and Old Dalkeith Road, between Cameron Toll and the Edinburgh Royal Infirmary, providing safer routes for key workers and service users, especially as traffic grows again.

    https://edinburghspacesforpeople.commonplace.is/news/2020/05/27/transport-convener:-out-of-crises-can-emerge-opportunities

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    Answer to a previous query on CCE -

    *Definition of 'wheeling': The act of a person who moves, travels, conveys on or as on wheels, e.g. wheelchair/skates/buggy/mobility aid.

    Also

    You have been warned -

    Disclaimer

    While we welcome and monitor all responses directly relating to safe physical distancing, it will not be possible to implement all suggestions. Design and implementation timescales for those ideas that we take forward will be dependent on available funding, procurement of materials and availability of contractors.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. CycleAlex
    Member

    First time using commonplace, quite nifty (even if the sign-up is a pain - why do I have to 'meet' the team?!) - added a few comments around Tollcross and managed to stop myself before I wrote an entire essay on Earl Grey St.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. acsimpson
    Member

    Is this the council officially putting major changes out to pasture? In 4 weeks time traffic levels could well be back to or above where they were in February.

    Despite them promising that any previously submitted comments will be taken into account I'm adding them to the map anyway.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. CycleAlex
    Member

    I would assume/hope anything submitted is actively considered rather than only being considered after 29/06.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. acsimpson
    Member

    There seems to be too much considering and consulting but not enough constructing going on.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Meanwhile in Paris (and therefore coming from a pretty high base of bike use and infra):

    "The Paris authorities have created 30 miles of extra cycle routes in the past month, and nearly 50 miles of new bike lanes are to be provided in Lyon this summer.

    In the two weeks since France began loosening restrictions, bike use has jumped 53 per cent from its pre-lockdown level, according to the Paris city council."

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/29/paris-gets-bike-france-emerges-lockdown-cycling-53-per-cent/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. Morningsider
    Member

    Why consult? This is an emergency. The Council employs transport planners, modellers and engineers. They know where the city's major travel corridors, pinch points, narrow pavements and cycling back holes are. They investigate this sort of thing every time they produce a new local transport strategy. Problems and potential solutions are also pointed out by us in every consultation response.

    What will this consultation tell us? St John's Road a bit busy at rush hour, Ferry Road a bit tricky for cycling, pavements in local shopping streets a bit narrow, people actually cycle south of the Meadows.

    When this is done, what will the Council know that they didn't already?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    Come on Morningsider you know you have to consult these days or your plans are objected to because you didn’t consult, oh wait I see yes emergency regs say Feck consultation and crack on

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. chdot
    Admin

    “When this is done, what will the Council know that they didn't already?”

    They’ll know that some people think some things are a good idea.

    It’ll give someone some sort of reassurance that some sort of democratic process has been carried out to someone or other’s satisfaction.

    If only SOMEONE would realise this is all just a waste of time (never mind any notions of emergency).

    Presumably not many local authorities are applying for the money so CEC isn’t bothered about it being taken away?

    But as been said before, lack of urgency is disappointing, but the lack of ambition (still no plans for radial main roads?) is tragic.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    It's a worrying thought that perhaps other Scottish LAs are even more cack-handed about cycling provision than CEC

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. CycleAlex
    Member

    Interested in the format being used - transport scotland also seem to be a partner - would be good to have a briefing on the background, how this method was selected and why partner with an external organisation
    Something something emergency. Something something oh come on.
    https://twitter.com/jomowat/status/1266428580470427649?s=20

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. Stickman
    Member

    Yes, a competitive tender process and full approval at the next council committee should have been the appropriate route.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. chdot
    Admin

  23. Rob
    Member

    Hopefully they're already working on creating space on main commuter routes, and this map is just to find extra little bits they can spend the rest of the money on.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. Stickman
    Member

    Over 300 suggestions already.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. Stickman
    Member

    Part of Union St in Aberdeen closed to vehicles:

    https://twitter.com/aberdeencf/status/1266681038157287426?s=21

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Union Street is where my dad took me on a Friday evening rush hour before my driving test. Reckoned anything would be easy after that free for all.

    So this is an amazing move - car culture has only deepened since those long-ago days.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. MediumDave
    Member

    There's something very weird going on with that commonplace map.

    Check out all the comments round the back of Wickes on Westfield Avenue. None are actually about that location of course (Harlaw, Yeaman Place, ...)

    There are also numerous examples of less egregiously misplaced comments (e.g a comment for Charterhall Road located on top of Blackford Hill).

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. MediumDave
    Member

    Features are located with lat/long pairs so I guess it must just be really easy to click in the wrong place when making a comment.

    (https://edinburghspacesforpeople.commonplace.is/comments.json is informative)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. crowriver
    Member

    Yeah, I got rather confused by the interface on my first couple of attempts, which I then had to re-do with a corrected pin in the map as there does not seem to be any possibility to retrospectively edit or delete your own comments.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. Stickman
    Member

    Cycling evangelist and Tory councillor Mark Brown pointing out the problems of disconnected safe routes:

    https://twitter.com/mr_mark_brown/status/1267119866085072897?s=21

    Posted 3 years ago #

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