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“50% of the time you have to cross a main road to reach a bus stop.“
Something ‘officials’/‘road engineers’/Cllrs don’t seem to understand/care about enough.
It’s (almost) inevitable that there are more bus stops than crossing facilities. Apart from disadvantaging bus users, this ‘lack of infrastructure’ discourages bus use and, inevitably, makes more people (think they) need to use cars.
Are floating bus stops dangerous for elderly or disabled people? There's plenty of evidence from Europe that they're not. But those facts aren't really important. Just as people don't cycle here because of a subjective feeling of danger (even though the facts show that cycling is relatively safe), here the impression generated by the media is that cyclists are reckless louts who will power through, head down, with no care for other people's safety. Only a change in that image will convince people that crossing a bike path can actually be safe, and allow them to accept the evidence - that there is no ongoing mass slaughter of the old and sick in countries where floating bus stops are common. We can perhaps have a little hope that the vast increase in cycling of the last few months will discourage the media from their normal lazy demonisation of cyclists.
"The media."
The possibly unpalatable truth is that the media reflect society. Sure, there is selection and amplification of certain values over others: "journalistic license", "editorial judgement". Unfortunately (or otherwise), media hold a mirror up to the values, prejudices and (sometimes misinformed) values of the public. Or at least, the perceived "majority view" (this is where reading Gramsci, Chomsky et al comes in).
@crowriver
I don’t think the media reflect society
News is constructed. Not reported.
During the miners strike for instance, all footage came from police perspective.
Almost all news stories follow a strict grammar. Think Collided with vehicle rather than run down by a driver
@gembo: The media has to use "neutral" wording along the lines of "a collision between a car and a bicycle" to avoid suggesting who was at fault, which might prejudice any subsequent court case (hence also "alleged to have murdered" and the like).
However, their wording often seems to choose "the bicycle was in collision with the car" (or worse "the bicycle collided with the car" which does come rather too close to hinting that the cyclist was to blame), and perhaps if we want to get them to improve their wording it should always be "the car was in collision with the bicycle", as while still avoiding implying blame, it is statistically much more likely that the situation occurred that way around.
@jdanielp: "she has yet to reply to my Tweet following up from changing my Twitter picture to the 'E'."
What is this about? I had noticed that a number of tweetles had chosen a new picture of a red E recently, but I didn't know what this was supposed to mean?
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@KirstyLewin
Porty Prom is pedestrianised. Disabled parking close to entrances. No parking outside the cafes. The cafes are doing a roaring trade. Bike parking is full. Lots of people using mobility aids. Make of this what you will.
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@davecykl
The media normally use “a cyclist collided with a car”, purportedly for legal reasons
But then, when they write about a cyclist/pedestrian collision, it’s “a cyclist struck a pedestrian”, so not consistent.
Perhaps they should write, “a red Specialized collided with a pair of shoes, the rider of the Specialized was uninjured” ?
@daveycykl the red E stands for Enough. Linked to the recent fatalities.
Bit more of a blurb on the CEC website about the East Craigs LTN:
East Craigs: proposal for temporary measures to create a low traffic neighbourhoodPerhaps I'm reading too much into it but it sounds like they're pressing on to implement it rather than delay it/do an East Lothian?
The proposal for temporary measures was developed from the feedback we got from consultation with local people on the West Edinburgh Link project (WEL). This highlighted rat running and speeding vehicles which made it feel unsafe to walk and cycle. This was backed up by road surveys of speed and number of vehicles to identify where measures might be located. Those proposals were then further refined with the input form a group of local residents that supports the WEL project.The Spaces for People funding from Scottish Government allows us to try out the WEL proposals on a temporary basis and, importantly, to get more feedback from local residents on those. This will be used to inform the next steps of the WEL project. We'll be launching a consultation survey and engaging with the local community (adhering to physical distancing guidelines) on the temporary measures when they are implemented. We'll notify residents when these start and results of this will be shared publicly.
We will of course monitor the streets to assess the temporary measures which will help to create safer streets for walking, wheeling and cycling during the current covid-19 pandemic.
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This highlighted rat running and speeding vehicles which made it feel unsafe to walk and cycle.
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That’s about all the objectionable politicians need to know.
Oh and this bit -
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developed from the feedback we got from consultation with local people
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Oh and maybe this bit -
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allows us to try out the WEL proposals on a temporary basis and, importantly, to get more feedback from local residents
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Shame some politicians let their prejudices get in the way of trying to improve things.
There's a rumour around Stockbridge that 'they' are planning to forbid people in four streets from having cars (this perhaps is the source of the rather hysterical notice in Gifted). Nobody seems to know which four streets or any other information. I have no idea where this has come from - has anyone heard of a proposal that might be related?
It would make sense to ban cars from the Stockbridge colony streets, especially given that modern cars are too wide to even fit down them. (Perhaps gembo's 3 metre max length rule should apply?)
https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/55.96144/-3.20809&layers=C
But there's a lot more than 4 streets where they need banning!
Seriously, why do we need cars in a beautiful street like this:
https://goo.gl/maps/UDhSqqatHvmWHLkHA
It could be a fabulous social / play area
@gembo, "News is constructed. Not reported."
That's certainly true. It's still a social process which does reflect how our society functions, in particular which groups wield power. The media tends to repeat certain stories which "we" may not agree are a fair representation of the society we live in. Minority views are only rarely taken into account.
Gramsci had something to say about this in his writings on hegemony. Chomsky added another element where he described the process by which media shapes nominally democratic societies as manufacturing consent.
That latter was handily illustrated by events which presented a crisis of media representation in these isles, such as the miner's strike and I might add the Troubles. These crises arose because the erstwhile values of the "free press" came into conflict with the interests of the state. We can often see such conflicts playing out in the media, not only state interests but those of various other groups with varying levels of power and access to publicity.
@crowriver, check out a Greg Philo’s work Really Bad News etc.
Media delivering the needs of vested interest group of wealthy oligarchs.
What I do not know is impact of social media.?
A lone wolf (with someone pulling the strings) like Nick Cook trying to manipulate the EEN with a circulation of 17,000 seems niche
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The same pattern repeats across various local situations.
And lying as per Trump and Boris is not called out anymore so Edinburgh tories can plant lies in tHe EEN which is basically the edinburgh tory party newsletter
So the five day consultation period on these local high street plans is up. What’s the next phase? Three weeks of refining designs before another consultation? Abandoning the whole thing and buying some signs? Wicca incantations to keep people safe?
I see you've seen the things Jon Burke is saying in response to the Levenshulme backlash. He makes a lot of sense - get something on the ground, tweak based on results and feedback.
Unfortunately, some residents of Levenshulme decided to torpedo the efforts of other residents under a banner of fairer, greener streets for all. Status quo it is then. I really hope we aren't heading in the same direction.
Chris Boardman also on Radio 4 saying tweaks fine
New £10m fund for pop-up public transport priority measures: transport.gov.scot/news/10-million-for-pop-up-bus-priority-infrastructure-in-scotland/
Figured a new thread is more appropriate!
@gembo, sure, I'm old enough to remember the work of the Glasgow Media Group.
"Media delivering the needs of vested interest group of wealthy oligarchs".
Of course, but that unfortunately is a reflection of the society we live in, and its power relations.
As is the ability of local fake news merchant politicians to hijack the agenda of hollowed out, deskilled local newspapers...
Abandon Hope All Ye Who Enter Here.
@Stickman, nah it'll end up more like this if things keep going the way they are...
(Click to see full image)
Plans for some more schemes are up on the Spokes website (East Craigs LTN, Dundee St, Meadow Place Rd, Ferry Rd, A702, Wester Hailes Rd, Orchard Brae roundabout): http://www.spokes.org.uk/documents/members-campaigning/edinburgh/edinburgh-covid-schemes/
I reckon putting a speed camera on Wester Hailes Road after reducing it from 40 to 20 could single-handedly solve the national debt.
So if Wester Hailes Rd is dropping to 20mph, why is Lanark Rd still planned to be 40mph? Bonkers nuts inconsistency.
So if Wester Hailes Rd is dropping to 20mph, why is Lanark Rd still planned to be 40mph? Bonkers nuts inconsistency.
Particularly bizarre signage as that part isn't currently 40mph at the moment! An error presumably.
Which bit isn't 40mph at the moment?
So the five day consultation period on these local high street plans is up. What’s the next phase? Three weeks of refining designs before another consultation? Abandoning the whole thing and buying some signs? Wicca incantations to keep people safe?
Implementation "expected from 22nd July" for Corstorphine. Other schemes (Morningside, Great Junction St, Portobello, Gorgie/Dalry and Stockbridge) have expected start dates some time between 23rd and 30th July.
Tollcross consultation ended today.
Not had word on Queensferry or Newington Road yet.
Just had a look at the Great Junction Street one ... pretty underwhelming for the time it's all taken.
'Particularly bizarre signage as that part isn't currently 40mph at the moment! An error presumably.'
True, but if you turn left, by the time you get to Spylaw Park it's back up to 40mph.
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