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"Perhaps we should all be allowed to decide what happens to the road directly outside the property which we own."
Do the business owners own the actual shops? Maybe some do, but most will be renting. Only the largest shops with higher eatable values will be paying any business rates due to the 100% small business exemption funded by Scottish government (i.e. our taxes).
The arguments for shopkeepers dictating what road space outside their shops is used for are resting on very thin ice indeed.
I think that many potentially do own the shops. These are shops that have been handed down/inherited/bought 50 years back. Otherwise I've no idea how on earth they afford to be there at all!
@ARobComp, maybe so. In which case, their main fixed overheads will be electricity, water and sewerage charges. No rent, no business rates, etc.
And yet they still insist on free parking for themselves outside their own shop...
While reading all the outrage it's always the owners of these smaller shops that are the most vocal. Potentially as they've been there longest? I've not seen the owner of Mellis, or Cook, in morningside shouting out about the need for parking (potentially they have but I've missed it). They're usually very very busy. Potentially small shops with high value items feel the need to have parking but I do think that on balance most of it is about their own ability to park outside their shop.
@arobcomp
Good point about Mellis
Blessed are the cheese makers of course but I do not think whoever owns Mellis works in one of the shops and therefore is not bovvered about where to park outside the shop.
Is the NEPN still closed near Roseburn? Thinking of going for a cycle tonight and couldn't find the thread about it.
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A disappointing article from @DJohnsonMSP I'm afraid. The way to protect local shopping centres is to make them more attractive for walkers and cyclists, and less car dominated.
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Thread -
https://mobile.twitter.com/mark_lazarowicz/status/1285648225530253312
In Portobello they have the bollards and cones out in preparation of the Safer Streets/temporary footpath widening plan.
Hasn't hampered anyone from parking along the High Street so far this morning
A lorry has pulled up with a trailer full of barriers. Temporary parking restrictions could be implemented by lunch time, exciting stuff :)
False alarm, lorry was dropping off a mini digger to a building site :(
Cones and kerbs being put on George IV Bridge.
Stop before bus stop and gaps at crossings. Already being well used by pedestrians keen on wider pavements.
There are cones in Corstorphine and Gorgie. The Gorgie ones are good outside the Coop but should extend to outside Boots as well (there was a van parked there when I went past).
Underneath the railway bridge towards the back entrance to Sainsburys they are currently up against the kerb which is pointless as it doesn't widen the pavement at all - I fancy some guerrilla cone-moving action but don't know if I have the courage to actually do it...
The Corstorphine stuff is laughably bad, although we’ve been told it will improve once they provide proper barriers.
I got from Cameron Toll to Balerno yesterday without spotting a single spaces for people initiative.
Cars and vans on pavements everywhere. Red lines, yellow lines, zig-zags you name it.
That railway bridge in Gorgie at Sainsbury's/Aldi with its very narrow pavements really isn't very pleasant for walking under.
The road there really should be a 2 lane bus/cycle gate, with the footways widened, and with camera enforcement. Car traffic (or deliveries) can divert via the West Approach Road or Slateford Road instead.
How much more pleasant would it be to use local shops on, or live beside, Gorgie Road if it wasn't full of unnecessary polluting metal boxes?
Boardwalk guy again with his single transferable rant
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/the-council-vandals-edinburgh-cafe-18657221
@murun.
Longer than usual but some nuggets.
People are coming from Airdrie To visit silverknowes? Why?
Poor Eddie the war veteran in the Salvesen houses has had his wing mirrors knocked off 3 times by drivers who have driven a 3 mile diversion just to knock the wing mirrors off. The fourth time they were disappointed as Eddie had remembered to tuck the wing mirrors in.
This was vexing as they had also driven all the way from Airdrie to knock Eddie’s wing mirrors off.
Angry people in local newspapers will have a whole dossier on boardwalk buffoon.
Could and should Eddie have parked his car/target on his lengthy driveway? Hmmm
Comment -
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I will add that I usually drive there but I am a keen cyclist as well and I seeno issue with the road being open to cars.
- However, claims that redirected traffic is causing congestion at Salvesen Terrace are quite ridiculous. I do pass that place frequently (Salveston Terrace) and it is a narrow stretch of the bussy-ish road where two small cars cannot pass when there are other cars parked on the side. And there is a bunch constantly! Most of the time when I pass through there I need to give way to the driver coming from opposite direction. Frankly no cars should be parked there. I can sympathise with the residents, but they do have off street parking, and living in Edinburgh they should be aware that parking on narrow roads carries a risk of knocked off mirror.
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But if Eddie Salvesen Cottages had parked on the drive the people who come from Airdrie would not be able to knock his wing mirrors off and that is what they come through for.
Suspicious that both victims are called Eddie?
I also suspect Boardwalk guy is telling porky pies about not being open for takeaway during lockdown. Looked like it was set up for that (signs placed etc) the last time I was down there in lockdown before I gave up on the area cos of crowds.
Not online yet, but the front page of the EEN suggest that the residents of East Craigs want to “sue” the council over the proposed road changes there. I don’t know what grounds they would use, but yet another drain on time and money to protect the status quo for cars.
Stories in various media outlet I don't want to link to about Grant Shapps having to intervene in a town in his constituency where social distancing measures have apparently killed the high street.
What is incredibly infuriating about this is that the anecdotal data from shopkeepers is all pertaining to pre-covid figures. One florist shopkeeper apparently has 40-45 people in each day - now it's 2 or 3. There's no analysis here about what has exactly caused this, just a direct attribution to the crazy "green initiatives".
This is very frustrating - as is reading the comments. I accept that in rural parts of the country people may need to drive but the implicit reasoning in the comments/argument is that parking directly on the high street is what keeps the shops alive. The free-parking party has a lot of support all of the country it seems.
@algo
I propose a simple initiative: all cities to lift all parking restrictions for a week. In the road, on the pavement, on the bus lanes, in the cycle lanes, in people's gardens, in company car parks, in B&Q anywhere you like.
Let the economy rip.
There's no analysis here about what has exactly caused this, just a direct attribution to the crazy "green initiatives".
Reckon there will be similar reactions when the economy goes tits up after Brexit. "See, I told you banning parking on the village high street would lead to ruin!"
I used to be constantly amazed by how many drivers failed to see beyond the end off their bonnets (both figuratively and sometimes literally). Now I just shrug wearily when I see yet another complaint about lack of on-street parking, congestion, roadworks, etc.
Car-dependent community wants to remain car dependent.
@IWRATS Sounds like the parking version of "The Purge" one day a year where anything is legal.
They have feelings...
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Residents feel they have not been consulted on the proposals and have stated that they feel the changes will make the area more “polluted, congested, isolated and dangerous”.
Sandy Smith, 49, from East Craigs, said she feels the issue is going to lead to “kettling” on Craigs Road and Drumbrae South as well as making the area more dangerous for school children and families.
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I wish we did not have to consult stupid selfish people but we are sort of democracy controlled by oil producing states and companies
she feels the issue is going to lead to “kettling” on Craigs Road and Drumbrae South
Only if she starts a riot. Then the police may well react by "kettling" the angry types. Otherwise, not so much.
How very American - they love to sue over bus and cycle lanes there.
But anyway, take what to court exactly? CEC has various powers to make legal orders. Presumably, if those orders are made correctly, there's no legal basis to sue?
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