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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes

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  1. Frenchy
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    Or who have plenty of room for multiple cars on their drives, but who don't like to spend two minutes reversing the rear one out in order to get the front one out of the drive.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    @Frenchy, "You can't buy a bed in a small business!"

    I think you mean fridge.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. neddie
    Member

    Part of the problem of people not parking in their driveways is because they've bought cars that are much wider than the previous one they owned (both intentionally and unintentionally through manufacturer "upsizing" of their models).

    They don't want to scratch their precious metal on the gateposts.

    If on-street parking is reduced and driveways become more attractive for parking, perhaps it will "encourage" owners to buy narrower, smaller cars? </naïve>

    A good way for the council to "control" the width of cars would be introduce higher parking-permit charges for wide cars. I believe this is already in their powers...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. gembo
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    Wide cars are due some sort of campaign. Eg - Are you a bad driver? Why not buy an extra wide car? Then in a crash you will be safe?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  5. Stickman
    Member

    Will CAWC become an offshoot or a rival to your CALC? Wide or long, can’t have both.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  6. crowriver
    Member

    Cars are extra wide so they can fit in:

    - Side impact protection system.
    - Electric window motors.
    - Entertainment system surround sound speakers in door recesses, and central aisle.
    - Giant drinks holders in door recesses, and central aisle.
    - Massive leather armchairs for driver and passenger, complete with arm rests.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    CALAWAC

    Campaign against long and wide autocars

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. Stickman
    Member

    The pedestrian guardrails have been removed at the Corstorphine shops on St John’s Road.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  9. davecykl
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    The removal of the railings (they don't do very much actual guarding: whenever you see that someone has driven into this sort of fencing, they tend to crumple quite extensively and into the space where someone walking on the other side of them might be) is an encouraging sign.

    Hopefully at some point the Drum Brae junction might find its way towards the top of the Council's long term (I think it was still Lothian Region, when it started?) roundabout removal programme, and get turned into an ordinary crossroads with traffic lights? We can only hope…

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. Stickman
    Member

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/transport/20-cent-planned-changes-edinburgh-roads-could-negatively-impact-emergency-vehicle-accessibility-2946157

    “We also all know that every second and minute counts. None more so when it is a member of our own family. So when a plan or project, either temporary as in these nine Spaces for People schemes, or permanent, looks like it will impede the ability of our emergency services to reach critical incidents or then hinder the onward transfer of the patient to hospital for emergency treatment, then it becomes a straight forward decision for me. These schemes should not proceed any further.”

    Meanwhile not a chuffing peep from Cllr Webber about the delays caused by too many vehicles on the roads, or any suggestions about what to do about that.

    It’s just scaremongering. I had look at the list of projects included in the report. There is a scoring system and some of the projects have a score of “minor” impact on emergency services. Some of these projects are on hold because of design/budget issues.

    Rather brilliantly, one of the projects marked as having a minor issue is the pedestrian crossing now in place at Maybury Road - which local Conservative councillor Mark Brown was a strong supporter of, and actually complained it wasn’t being done quickly enough.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  11. crowriver
    Member

    “We also all know that every second and minute counts. None more so when it is a member of our own family. So when a plan or project, either temporary as in these nine Spaces for People schemes, or permanent, looks like it will impede the ability of our emergency services to reach critical incidents private motor vehicles to go wherever they please or then hinder the onward transfer of the patient to hospital for emergency treatment urgently required bacon rolls, then it becomes a straight forward decision for me. These schemes should not proceed any further.”

    FTFY

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. neddie
    Member

    George IV Bridge today. Guy dressed all in black is the driver.

    Double yellow blips == No loading at any time.

    Also, further up outside the Missoni, a bin lorry parked diagonally across the bike lane with one rear wheel on the pavement, who then drove off over the Orcas.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. Morningsider
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    Oh, those poor benighted Dutch folk. As well as all their businesses having gone bankrupt since the 1970's due to a lack of parking, no-one makes it to hospital alive because of bollards! How they must envy us.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. Stickman
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    Tories calling for all current closed roads to be reopened and planned schemes to be scrapped.

    Page 12 of this:

    https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/b16744/Motions%20and%20Amendments%2020th-Aug-2020%2010.00%20Policy%20and%20Sustainability%20Committee.pdf?T=9

    Posted 4 years ago #
  15. Stickman
    Member

    An actual, specific answer on what cycling projects a Conservative would support:

    East/west. Frogston Road and Oxgangs Roads can have permanent segrated cycleways without impacting pedestrians, public transport or indeed cars.

    https://twitter.com/philipdoggart/status/1296123724748529666?s=21

    Although the Comiston Road one is bad because it’s on an arterial route....

    The problem with north/south, as Niall correctly states, is that it is an arterial route. Traffic from south of the F’head junction is not Edinburgh traffic and public transport is not an option for them.

    https://twitter.com/philipdoggart/status/1296124250802266113?s=21

    Posted 4 years ago #
  16. Rosie
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    Spokes on this:-

    SPACES FOR PEOPLE (SfP)

    Spokes has been supporting and commenting on the many Spaces for People initiatives which have been taking place in Edinburgh. These include segregated cycle lanes, school schemes, improving town centres and Low Traffic Neighbourhoods.

    The Policy Committee is meeting tomorrow and the Conservative councillors propose to scrap many existing and planned SfP schemes. This will not pass, but the pro-schemes Councillors are getting a lot of flack and unpleasantness over eg the planned Low Traffic Neighbourhood (East Craigs) which, if successful, will be followed by another in Leith.

    We are asking, if you can. to email Lesley.Macinnes@edinburgh.gov.uk (Transport Convener) and karen.doran@edinburgh.gov.uk (Vice Convener) in support of the Spaces for People schemes.

    In particular you could mention that similar Low Traffic Neighbourhoods in London are proving very popular once they are in place, though they often attract flack beforehand. The schemes are “try then modify” rather than lengthy consultations on paper and digitally, allowing people to get a proper “feel” for the schemes.
    https://twitter.com/SpokesLothian/status/1296126511389585409

    The list of the various schemes and Spokes’s responses is here:-http://www.spokes.org.uk/documents/members-campaigning/edinburgh/edinburgh-covid-schemes/

    Our letter commenting on the Spaces For People generally is here:-

    http://www.spokes.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/2008-20-SfP-Policy-Cttee-spokes-comment.pdf

    Posted 4 years ago #
  17. CycleAlex
    Member

    Adam McVey on Twitter:

    The @EdinburghSNP Cllrs won’t be accepting the Tory attempt to bin schemes that local people have asked for. These are important to support walking, cycling & wheeling in our communities. I’m confident tomorrow’s committee will reject this regressive nonsense.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  18. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    I know Phil Doggart, used to work with him. Nice, intelligent guy, certainly more so than those tweets suggest, sad to say. I’d hoped his silence so far meant he was part of internal Tory resistance to the murderous Webber/Cook idiocy (there must be some, right?)

    There’s zippo difference between Oxgangs Rd & Comiston Rd. A handful of house dwellers would be minorly inconvenienced by not being able to (legally) park on the public road outside their property rather than on their drive/garage.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  19. Stickman
    Member

    @Murun: yes, I worked with him as well and I agree. I suspect that in a lot of cases councillors have so much on their plate that they just haven’t really given it much thought beyond “lots of people object, it must be bad”.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  20. HankChief
    Member

    How can the Conservatives make a song and dance about CEC not listening to local opinions and then they want to reverse the popular Cammo Walk closure without asking locals...

    Posted 4 years ago #
  21. acsimpson
    Member

    @hankchief, I've asked Mark Brown to comment. I see you have too.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  22. gembo
    Member

    The last council committee I watched (not cycling) there was lots of rhetoric but the coalition had the numbers, I hope this is also the case here.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  23. Stickman
    Member

    @hankchief, @acsimpson - Mark Brown is pointedly ignoring all questions about Cammo Walk. He’s been given his orders.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  24. Morningsider
    Member

    This is all just politics. The Tories are doing this so they can argue at the next local government election that only they stood up for concerned locals against an overmighty council, which rides roughshod over the opinions of the vast majority of right thinking people.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  25. acsimpson
    Member

    @Morningsider, yes that's my feeling too. Even when they support some of the changes they are voting against them safe in the knowledge that they will loose but score some cheap political points.

    @Stickman, It's a shame that whoever is giving these orders isn't taking the new orders from further up the chain. However given his silence I think we have to assume he is not entirely agreeing with the middleman order giver.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  26. Rob
    Member

    Mark Brown has also ignored my question about supporting changes in East Craigs in 2017.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  27. CycleAlex
    Member

    Conservative Cllr: Free the people, open Braid Road

    ::intensive eye rolling::

    Posted 4 years ago #
  28. Stickman
    Member

    Some good news is that wands will be installed on the Ferry Road cycle lane in the next few days, and that permanent segregation units are on order for pop-up lanes - expected in the next few months because of supply issues.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  29. CycleAlex
    Member

    No wonder CEC loses staff to consultancies. Why deal with nonsense and lies from politicians when you could go work at AECOM and get paid more.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  30. crowriver
    Member

    One of the local grumpies from East Craigs claimed on Twitter that Edinburgh was an autocracy. I don't think they knew what that actually meant. Something something not listening something 400 objections something undemocratic.

    Reminded me of PG Tips with the tone of righteous indignation, despite being grossly misinformed of the facts. Unprepared to listen to any contradictory views too.

    I think the Lib Dem and Tory councillors have done a "good job" of whipping up outrage based on blatant misrepresentations and a fake "consultation".

    Quite amusing to see relatively prosperous suburbanites chanting "We the people" and complaining they have no voice. Obviously too used to being heard loud and clear and obeyed most of the time...

    Posted 4 years ago #

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