"some places" could turn out to be almost all built-up roads in the Borders: "the most significant measure being the proposal to change all Council adopted 30mph roads to 20mph as a trial for a temporary period of up to 18 months." (my emphasis)
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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes
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Daily Mail - the empire strikes back against the eco-warriors.
It includes Edinburgh among this list of stricken cities. Edinburgh is not funded by this UK govt fund, is it? Isn't it all Holyrood funding?
I'm rather impressed that the eco-warriors (the shock troops of Extinction Rebellion) have had so much influence over a Tory Government.
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Also I was in Holyrood Park today, walking round Arthur's Seat. How very agreeable it is with nae cars. Family groups with tribes of wee ones walking on the road, loads of people wandering about socially distancing in a friendly way, cyclists co-existing pretty well, Just Eat trundlers going at a gentle pace.
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I was discussing the floating bus-stops on George IV Bridge and the opposition Living Streets had been making with my girlfriend earlier on and, mostly-jokingly, suggested that they would end up joining with Tories to try to get rid of them. Hmm: https://twitter.com/LivingStreetsEd/status/1297595803347943424?s=20
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Seems only days ago that Cllr Webber was angrily denouncing lobby groups.
Nick Cook. Golden Age. Told you.
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Living Streets revealing their true colours
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Very odd that Living Streets would put their trust in the party most vocal in its opposition to 20mph speed limits, the pavement parking ban, Low Traffic Neighbourhoods and the pedestrian focused safer streets programme. It is as clear as day that Tory wails of "What about the pedestrians!" is simply a ruse to roll back gains for both walking and cycling on spurious "safety" grounds.
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“It is as clear as day that Tory wails of "What about the pedestrians!" is simply a ruse to roll back gains for both walking and cycling on spurious "safety" grounds.“
Seems so and as has been mentioned before, at odds with UK Tory policies/funding.
Presumably it’s local councillors hoping for electoral advantage.
Likewise, it’s LSEdinburgh that is (apparently) against bikes and floating bus stops.
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As a donor, member & co-convener of another branch of LS, it concerns me you say:
"SUSPEND ..#SpacesforPeople roll-out.."As traffic grows back, lost time is lost space. We may not get this opportunity again
Please ACCEPT imperfect improvements & then work to better them
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Who or what are Living Streets? SCUP operate largely by infiltration and takeover of community organisations, given they can't be elected in most parts of the country. I have participated in a putsch to expel them from my local community centre and another place.
I wonder if they have infiltrated Living Streets?
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Living Streets Edinburgh first came to my notice when they announced a new recruitment drive in the Quaker meeting house off Victoria St shortly after the identification of the CCWEL as the portal through which Beelzebub will emerge to claim dominion over the earth's navigation channels, yea, and all the small businesses and associated livelihoods situated thereupon.
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@Morningsider: "...the pavement parking ban..."
On which subject, do you (or does anyone else) know what's happened with that? AIUI the bill was passed last year. So why does nothing seem to be getting done about enforcing it? I know there were some annoying loopholes created for the benefit of lazy/time-pressured/zero-hours-contracted delivery drivers but surely using legislation which is already in place to remove obstructions from existing footways is a really simple way to create more room for active travel?
(Full disclosure: I was looking forward to dobbing in some of my neighbours who habitually and quite unnecessarily park outside their properties with two wheels on the pavement. Including my immediate neighbour to one side who has a two-car drive but only ever parks one of his cars on it, and leaves the other on the street with the nearside wheels half on the kerbstones, which probably doesn't do them any good either. I say "his" cars because only he lives there, having spent heaven only knows how much with a succession of variously dodgy builders on doubling the size of the house which his family has never moved back in to. It runs in the family, though: the other day one of his offspring was visiting and I watched in bemusement as her partner got out of the car and carefully guided her as she reversed back to put her two nearside wheels precisely on the kerbstones just like Daddy does...)
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This morning many delivery vans parked in the segregated cycle/walking lane on George IVth bridge - disgruntled drivers ready to argue as I made my way past - I do wonder though where they are supposed to go to deliver - I don't have an answer prepared.
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@ejstubbs - The legislation was passed, but won't be in force until (supposedly) Spring 2021. Before that, Transport Scotland need to issue guidance to councils on how enforcement, exemptions etc. should be done, and CEC need to come up with a plan for actually doing it. Don't be too surprised if that Spring 2021 date gets pushed back.
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Who are Living Streets? I joined a few years ago and went to one of their meetings. Mostly older men there. I doubt they’ve been infiltrated. They just cared a lot about improving pavements is the nicest thing I can say. But it was all about bins, hedges and A-boards. No vision at all about the acres of land given over to cars. That seemed very much to be considered the natural order of things. A fair amount of animosity towards cyclists from a lot of the audience. Some of the board, especially Stuart Hay are very good and supportive of cycling. Their old list of aims in no way mentioned cars as an issue for pedestrians. I asked them to change it, and they did. It’s better now. But, as someone who has lost friends in road crashes (pedestrians), I could never faced another meeting. So, Living Streets is kind of self selecting for people who can stand the narrowness off their vision.
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This did not used to have any mention of motor traffic at all. https://www.livingstreets.org.uk/get-involved/local-groups/edinburgh
I wish they would campaign for better implementation of floating bus stops instead of just opposing.
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Apparently it is not their remit to have to suggest better alternatives, or words to that broad effect that I've seen repeated on Twitter a few times recently... I too attended one of their meetings a while back and was disappointed by the obvious anti-cycling sentiment. I have not been back.
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It’s a real shame when we should be allies.
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I think SRD went to a few Living Streets meetings and similarly gave up.
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I continue to find LSE’s shock and horror at being asked for their alternative odd. If you’re going to flat out reject what’s generally seen as international best practice and used around the world, surely you shouldn’t be surprised if people ask you what your solution is?
Presumably the reason for the lack of alternatives is that they don’t have one.
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“Who are Living Streets?“
A UK wide org with staff
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THE UK CHARITY FOR EVERYDAY WALKING
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https://www.livingstreets.org.uk
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LIVING STREETS SCOTLAND
Scotland PART OF THE UK CHARITY FOR EVERYDAY WALKING
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https://www.livingstreets.org.uk/about-us/scotland
“I joined a few years ago and went to one of their meetings“
Presume that was
https://www.livingstreets.org.uk/get-involved/local-groups/edinburgh
“So, Living Streets is kind of self selecting for people who can stand the narrowness off their vision.“
That often applies to small groups. In this case, sadly, some members spend too much time thinking bikes are the problem and not about how they can work with cycle ‘campaigners’ on bigger issues.
Aligning themselves with ‘status quo’ groups is not helpful.
No idea how LS and LSS regard LSE or whether they can have any positive influence (or maybe they agree really??)
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I came along to post that the pavement in Ponton Street is being permanently widened on the side next to the primary school.
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The Cockburn society were the status quo group of choice at the meeting I went to. A young woman suggested that it would be nice to open Charlotte Square to the public and the woman from the Cockburn just about ended herself talking about how incredibly grateful they were that the owners allowed the book festival to take place there and seemed kind of horrified at the thought of the public in Charlotte Square any more than that. It was the most annoying meeting I’ve ever been to in my life.
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Looks like they're another state-funded charity;
https://www.livingstreets.org.uk/media/4984/trustees-report-2019.pdf
They've got bit of cash in from Phoenix Group, the outfit that hoovers up sick life assurers like Standard Life. Otherwise it appears to be tax dollars behind their activities.
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From link
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I’m mystified by this
The painted crossing appeared after the initial installation (good improvement/modification) but why no planters (seats even) to actually making it a safe island where people would want to wait?
This is it ‘working’
https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1297213165940416512
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When did the Ferry Road cycle lanes become mandatory?
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I think those might be the ones Mr fimm was commenting upon approvingly - near a sports ground? That would be probably a couple of weeks ago.
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You’re right @chdot. The island is too small and should have a bus shelter or benches. In that video clip people are only crossing the cycle lane when their bus comes which will cause more distraction and conflict. What a shame not to implement it properly
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What a shame not to implement it properly
TIE
Wonder if I'll ever get to stop writing that.
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