CityCyclingEdinburgh was launched on the 27th of October 2009 as "an experiment".
IT’S TRUE!
CCE is 15years old!
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It soon became useful and entertaining. There are regular posters, people who add useful info occasionally and plenty more who drop by to watch. That's fine. If you want to add news/comments it's easy to register and become a member.
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“Not sure if £110 is an investment or not!“
Abebooks has others at a similar price.
Certainly more expensive than the one I’ve got - but that was bought a long time ago, so no idea if the increase is just matching inflation.
If you buy one, make sure it has the 3 maps in the pocket at the back.
For comparison -
Has there been any information on the Leith LTN? I'm hoping it'll bridge the gap between Leith Links and NEPN which would make it pointless to reopen Links Gardens.
@Rob: there’s a map of the area covered by the proposed LTN in this report, although there is no detail on the streets to be filtered.
Leith notes from that document:
That zone is the perfect mini-Holland.
Indeed! Should be a much easier sell than East Craigs - high density, lots of shops, rat runs that should clearly be closed (Tollbooth Wynd, etc), well defined cycling desire lines.
Thrilled to see the area is even broader than I'd hoped, encompassing the Coburg Street entrance to the WoL.
Transport and Environment Committee
LIVE (Started at 10)
https://edinburgh.public-i.tv/core/portal/webcast_interactive/513025
Honestly, by reducing turning traffic in and out of side roads and volumes of cross traffic at traffic lights, it'll probably improve traffic flow on the peripheral roads as well.
Aren't the Tories always going on about "reviewing the traffic lights" and "traffic flow"? What a perfect opportunity!
Objections will likely be along the lines of those against the Links Gardens closure, i.e. extra traffic on Hermitage Place. Similar arguments can be seen against the LTNs in London.
I'm curious if they plan to do anything with bus gates. Putting one somewhere along the south edge of Leith Links would be a good way to counter those objections but Lochend Road isn't a main through road either. Putting one on Duke Street would be a bold statement.
In a shock to no-one, Conservatives + LDs refer the LTN report (once it was passed) to full council. I'm sure it's nothing to do with delaying it more. Nothing at all.
> extra traffic on Hermitage Place
Not that familiar with the area, but isn't this going to happen anyway with the tram-related closure of Constitution Street?
@jonty Yes, true. Plus, with Links Gardens being closed at the moment it should be at it's worst regardless of any LTN changes.
There was a certain grim irony that the East Craigs residents cited a cancelled scheme in Germany as a precedent for also cancelling the planned LTN.
For once Edinburgh is actually like a European city.
Perhaps cameras on bus gates should just be ‘toll collectors’.
People can choose to go through them, but it’ll cost £5(?)
I've sometimes wondered about a 'timed cordon' for where there are objections to modal filtering on access/servicing/delivery grounds. When you enter the area via a 'gate' you have to leave via that gate OR spend N minutes within the cordon and then you can leave whichever way you like. Maybe you can get an app notification when you're free to leave.
That way rat runners are deterred (or at least those that can't afford the fine) while delivery vans/bin lorries/residents/visitors can take the most efficient route for their 'necessary access.'
Maybe not the solution for places like this, but might be a less challenging way of 'filtering' an area the size of the New Town. Probably altogether too 'complicated' though (and open to Evening News sob stories.)
@jonty, It would require a change of the law at the moment. It was clarified during yesterday's meeting that vehicles can currently only be permitted based on class not numberplate in Scotland. In other words you can ban HGVs but you can't make it residents only.
Seems like there's a 90% residents discount scheme for the congestion charge? Scotland only law?
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/managing-residents-discount-user-guide.pdf
This would be slightly fairer in that all vehicles would be treated the same but yes, I imagine it would need a bit of legal ingenuity (it would be a world first after all!)
(Incidentally, if you're not allowed to filter by residency status, how does the School Streets permit system work?)
@acsimpson - I think @jonty's suggestion was more about implementing a time delay than allowing particular vehicles based on a list of number plates. A bit like average speed cameras. Would that still require a change of law?
I suggested something similar to Midlothian Council when they last consulted on the A701. My suggestion was to put a "bus gate" at either end of Straiton. You'd be allowed to drive through one bus gate without any problem, but you wouldn't then be allowed to drive out the other end unless you waited (say) 30 minutes. That would maintain access to the retail park from both ends, but would force anyone driving straight through to take a different route.
I hope that made sense. There's probably a far easier solution using a simple bus gate in the right place, though.
@toomanybikes, yes it's was a Scottish Law. Someone referenced a scheme in London which allowed residents access and the response was that it isn't allowed in Scotland.
@jonty, I'm not honestly sure I guess it depends whether you can class vehicles based on time of entry or not.
Pretty sure Scottish Councils can set road user charging discounts for residents. CEC proposed just such a discount for Edinburgh residents who lived outside the proposed outer cordon of the Edinburgh congestion charge.
https://twitter.com/sjwebber_phw/status/1312084258819842048?s=21
Nothing to do with Holyrood 2021 candidate selection I’m sure.
I'm a local resident and I'm very happy with the changes, thank you. I'd like to see more. Strangely, my local Tory hasn't responded to my email to that effect (In fact only Melanie Main has).
She's another candidate for a 'bike rides with Councillors' offer. I'm assuming, by the spotty top, that she was the cyclist we saw at one point with their back to the camera doing the classic 'indicate left by shoving an arm straight out quickly without at any point looking behind' manoeuvre that I always take as a sign of inexperience on a bike.
Perhaps Edinburgh’s Tory councillors should be reminded that the ‘freedom to drive’ is similar to the ‘freedom not to wear masks’.
Their knee jerk opposition to measures designed to reduce air pollution etc is harming residents (including people who voted for them).
Plenty opposition in London too, but measures seem to be working.
Of course some of the progress was started under Boris (and Ken with the bike hire).
And of course “Edinburgh is Different”.
She's got some swagger has Ms Webber. Maybe she could remind us about the consultation where her party asked if we'd like to lose our European citizenship and end devolution?
And of course it’s not just the Tories -
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Edinburgh Western Lib Dem MSP Alex Cole-Hamilton said the Low Traffic Neigbourhood (LTN) proposals for East Craigs could still be halted if the council got legal advice that they were unlawful.
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Sad that a lot of this is down to oppositional party politics and ‘populist’ bandwagon jumping.
Maybe East Craigs isn’t the best place to start Edinburgh’s LTN programme.
Maybe CEC hasn’t consulted ‘properly’.
Maybe it’s using ‘Covid money’ inappropriately.
But...
these proposals will actually increase car journey times
THAT’S THE WHOLE <rule 2> POINT.
@harts has explained all this in depth to Cole-Hamilton and Christine Jardine.
“@harts has explained all this in depth to Cole-Hamilton and Christine Jardine.“
No doubt, but in spite of the fact he knows what he is talked about and is a local small business owner, he’s ‘obviously’ part of the secret cycle conspiracy intent on upsetting the natural world order (so can be ignored).
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