“Turning to the lawyers they charge by the hour and you can often get another lawyer to give the opposite advice and then we are off to court.”
That’s true!
Presume CEC still has at least one of its own??
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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes
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“Imagine if Edinburgh City was bounded by the Meadows, the Seat, the Botanics and Roseburn“
Think Paris is a bit bigger than that.
Uk local administrative units do tend to bigger than in many other countries.
Nostalgically I think Edinburgh was best served when it had a District Council and also Lothian Region - which looked after strategic stuff including transport.
Of course that’s when LAs we’re reasonably well funded.
How does Switzerland, which has more ‘local democracy’, deal with things like getting cycle infrastructure?
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@chdot
Yes, Paris intra muros is about the same size as Edinburgh inside the bypass. My point was that a council based only on the tenement areas would be far more people-friendly, ditto if there was a popular directly-elected leader.
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Cycle lane defenders starting to be installed on Comiston Road to replace the wands. Had reached Caiystane Crescent northbound when I passed that way this morning. A number of drivists had taken the opportunity to abuse the cycle lane and parking restrictions just beyond CC where the wands had been removed in preparation (rolls eyes in disbelief/despair at people's selfishness and stupidity).
I noticed that these cycle lane defenders have wee glass reflective domes built in to the base.
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@ejstubbs - good, I must have reinstalled about 20 wands on Comiston Road over the last few weeks. Not a big deal, takes a few seconds as you pass.
I did notice that some wand bases were being removed though - I suspect by residents who didn't want anything interfering with parking or accessing driveways.
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On first reading I assumed cycle lane defenders were like statue defenders.
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@IWRATS: Seems to be the official product name, as originally brought to this forum's attention by Morningsider a couple of weeks back when they started appearing on Morningside Road and Bruntsfield Place to segregate pedestrian spaces.
https://www.rosehillhighways.com/products/cycle-lane-defenders/
They are proliferating rapidly: this morning I also spotted them on Lothian Road (northbound, just after Tollcross) and Dalry Road (westbound, roughly opposite the Co-op, and also going under the Western Approach Road and past the cemetery - these were again segregating pedestrian spaces rather than cycle lanes, although I think the one under the Western Approach Road did used to be a cycle lane as it's got red tarmac).
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Should be a lot harder to destroy. Somebody will succeed but they'll need to get tooled up at least.
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Cycled right round town today on various missions. Encountered zero SfP infrastructure of any kind.
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I briefly used the brief segregated bit on Seafield Street on the first trip, then went through Links Gardens on the second on the way out and technically went very briefly along the only-as-a-result-of-complaint Leith Walk lane when crossing from Macdonald Road.
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Put five wands back in their sockets on a walk down Old Dalkeith Road in the rain there. We fix what can be fixed and we thole the rest.
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He that tholes overcomes
As the doorway in advocates close says
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Rode up the Comiston Road lanes on Sunday.
They are going to become unusable very soon. They are going to fill up with leaves and then the leaf mulch will freeze and any cyclist going that way will be back in the car lanes getting hassle for not being able to cycle on ice.Posted 4 years ago # -
@fimm
The east side of Old Dalkeith Road is smothered. No cars to grind the leaves.
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1318225466491371521?s=21
The Council now has legal advice on its Spaces for People implementation. This is all I am being permitted to share with the people who the Council serves:
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“This is all I am being permitted to share“
He always manages to make things about himself.
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Presumably this is part of a report to committee?
So will be public soon?
More importantly, presume this means CEC will just carry on - unless the advice says something is unlawful (which presumably CEC will accept??)
Either way it will become obvious soon, so why the secrecy?
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I must be missing something here. In one tweet, Cllr Arthur says he redacted it *himself* to 'make a point about secrecy'. Huh?
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@fimm - I did think that too, however with Spaces for People I would have thought pavements and cycle paths would be cleared by the little street sweepers that they have and would also be prioritised for gritting / snow clearance by the same machines. That's how it works in e.g. Denmark.
Drivers should be on appropriate tyres so gritting / salt should not be necessary - again as they do on the continent.... of course this is when you discover all the faux by fours beloved of so many are only two wheel drive or have inappropriate tyres.
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Somehow ended up watching a whole sequence of videos on YouTube last night about Denmark and Copenhagen. Really made me quite depressed how a smallish country similar to ours which does not have a Mediterranean climate can have such good facilities and a population who have such a totally different outlook on transport to us.....
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Not Scotland, but ...
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The Secretary of State for Transport, Grant Shapps, fired a warning shot across the bows of local government on Friday, in a letter to councils expressing concern over the growing disquiet and protest against active travel measures being implemented across the country.
Threatening to pull the funding plug from councils, he warned that he was: "not prepared to tolerate hastily introduced schemes, which will create sweeping changes to communities, without consultation". - Grant Shapps
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https://www.commonplace.is/blog/active-travel-projects-getting-consent-for-change
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Cycle lane defenders now in place on Comiston Road northbound all the way to the start of the bus lane at Comiston Springs Avenue (which has had the pavements "built out" at the junction using ghost islands and more cycle lane defenders). All except for two lonely orange and white wands right at the start by the Fairmilehead lights for some reason. All cycle lane defender poles still intact, bar one (I assume this must have been as a result of a collision because I don't think they're straightforward to remove by hand - and even if you do manage to get the pole out, the "orca" bit is still there and I don't think any sane person would want to drive over that).
One thing I don't understand is why drivers, when using the parking bays marked with two parallel white lines along the cycle lane side - which I assume is meant to be some kind of "door zone" space - seem to park as close as possible to the edge of the cycle lane rather than leaving that space clear. Perhaps they find it difficult to resist the pull of the footway for parking on...
Still all orange and white wands southbound, though. Hopefully those will be replaced soon.
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Anybody want to look at the seriously dangerous delivery of bus stop detail - certainly NOT safe designs AKA Bus Stop Bypasses the 'safe' design was assessed by TRL for TfL to examine the capacity of the 'island', how the bus passengers used the island, and crossing points of the cycle way
Many pop-up efforts, including those in Edinburgh seem to fail miserably when a risk audit is carried out
1) There is no horizontal deflection of the cycle way, to highlight the hazard and regulate cyclist speeds - I'd suggest a design speed of 8mph which should keep top speeds down to around 12mph, and with proper radiussed entry/exit
2) A deprecation against 2-way cycling
3) Bus shelter & stop flag MUST be on the island aligned to direct pedestrians to face oncoming cycle traffic as they go to cross, with no 6-sheet poster blocking sightlines - a real danger that bus passengers will wait in a shelter, on the outside of the cycleway in bad weather & march straight to the bus as it arrives
4) Absolutely NO cycle traffic passing right along the kerb line, straight through the point where a passenger will step off a busHere's an historic screw-up at Bridgeton, Glasgow
1) tactile paving irrelevant, superfluous, and of a design that can bring down a cyclist
2) no speed checking detail so that a cyclist could be travelling at 15-20mph and collide with a passenger getting on/off a bus
3) bus shelter on wrong side of cycleway
4) 2-way cycleway with view of passengers in bus shelter partly masked by 6-sheet posterhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/50482461103/in/datetaken/
I'm collecting examples of worst practice - George 1V Bridge included - a crash just waiting to happen
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Just watched someone drive a faux-by-four through the no entry signs of the Rosemount SfP pedestrian space in Aberdeen at about 35mph.
No fox given. If a space isn't physically impossible to drive in folk will drive in it.
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citizen !
what business do you have being up the road in aberdoom ?
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Still all orange and white wands southbound, though. Hopefully those will be replaced soon.
Hopefully. I cycled southwards earlier and noticed two or three more wands, crushed flat by OLAMs, have given their lives valiantly that their comrades may grow into defenders.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/h52/50482461103/in/datetaken/
Tulyar, could you check permissions on that photo? Most recent seems to be your Braehead pics.
You can always use the 'share' function in Flickr, select BBCode and a picture size of say 500px, and paste the code straight in here.
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As part of overall emergency measures, Edinburgh Council proposes to introduce new pedestrian and cycle improvements in conjunction with bus priority measures on sections of the A90 corridor from the Dean Bridge to Cramond Brig. The measures proposed have been designed to build upon and enhance existing provisions for people walking, cycling and using public transport, with the principal aims of encouraging and supporting cyclists to travel safely while also prioritising public transport on one of the city’s strategic transport corridors. The measures proposed will re-designate key parts of the road network to help pedestrians and cyclists travel safely while meeting physical distancing requirements.
The proposed designs for the scheme show:
introduction of new pedestrian space along the corridor.
improvements to junctions and crossing along the corridor to make them safer for cyclists and pedestrians.
introduction of sections of new segregated and mandatory cycle lanes.
improvements to existing sections of advisory cycle lanes.
introduction of sections of new bus lanes.
introduction of parking, waiting and loading restrictions where applicable along the corridor.
introduction of vehicle filtering in specific locations along the corridor.Posted 4 years ago # -
Have just skimmed those Queensferry Road plans - many of the 24 segments appear to have no modifications of any note, and the rest seem to be the usual hodge-podge of disconnected pieces (usually disappearing at junctions/ corners etc). So, about par for the course...
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