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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes

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  1. acsimpson
    Member

    The lib-dems could sit on the fence about independence for all I care. Even if they sat on the fence of active travel it might be excusable for to come off their fence and go as far as possible to the drive where we like when we like and the climate be damned is not a good move for anyone to make.

    I'm struggling to see what party is currently available to vote for if you want to halt climate change and reduce local pollution but aren't actively supportive of independence.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  2. crowriver
    Member

    @acsimpson, probably Labour your best bet there I should have thought. Always very supportive of public transport, at least.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  3. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Popped over the Electric Bridge yesterday. West end blocked by parked cars otherwise rock and roll.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  4. chdot
    Admin

    “blocked“ as in ‘difficult for wider than normal bikes to get through’?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  5. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Yes. Totally blocked at the time as one vehicle door was open. Cargo bike would not pass.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    Time for bollards!

    Posted 4 years ago #
  7. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Always time for bollards.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  8. chdot
    Admin

    Very true.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  9. gembo
    Member

    I also like a nice heavy rubber kerb like the one in gayfield square that used to feature here every so often

    Posted 4 years ago #
  10. Stickman
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  11. gembo
    Member

    Yes, Spokes posting it. Hopefully editorial has no comments.?

    I saw a piece this week on LTNs where the most vociferous opponent (hardware store owner) has become its champion and his business is booming and he has recanted publicly.

    Alas this is unlikely at Roseburn.

    Anyone pick anything up on their gammon radios anymore about the parliament building.

    Showed my old school chum the party as we walked by then again from top of Arthur’s Seat. He was asking if there ever was any fuss anymore and I said not really maybe just the over run on costs?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  12. neddie
    Member

    Yet again, Scotsman article pitting cyclists against drivers, as if they’re two separate species...

    Le facepalm

    Posted 4 years ago #
  13. chdot
    Admin

    A popular pop-up cycle lane is at risk of removal despite having as much as tripled cycling levels without impacting car journeys and enabled potentially hundreds of children and NHS staff to cycle in safety. The cycle lane on Upper Shoreham Road, in West Sussex, even featured on a government video promoting cycling investment last week.

    https://road.cc/content/news/updated-pop-cycle-lane-govt-promo-film-risk-278821

    Posted 4 years ago #
  14. Stickman
    Member

    This contradicts what some are saying about Morningside and Stockbridge:

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/business-leaders-accuse-edinburgh-council-chiefs-not-standing-city-centre-3046497

    Denzil Skinner, chair of city-centre business organisation Essential Edinburgh, said...

    "When I’ve been round places like Stockbridge and Morningside at the weekend, they’re mobbed, as are the out-of-town shopping centres, and the city centre has been left to suffer on its own.”

    Posted 4 years ago #
  15. Frenchy
    Member

    I cycled along Morningside Road on Saturday morning. The temporary footway spaces were clearly being more heavily used than the parking spaces.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  16. crowriver
    Member

    Maybe because these shops, cafes are closer to where people live? Lots of folk used to live in the city centre too, but in recent years much of the Old Town and other central areas have been hollowed out by homes being turned into short-term let tourist accommodation. Not so many tourists now (including day-trippers from Fife, Borders and the Lothians), and office workers mostly WFH so city centre largely empty?

    Posted 4 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    “office workers mostly WFH so city centre largely empty?“

    An element, but the ‘city centre’ hasn’t been the ‘must go to’ destination for MANY years.

    Princes Street has been up and (mostly) down over decades. ‘Big’ retail been doing badly for ages - out of town and internet shopping pre-date Covid.

    ‘Shop local’ and better walking options really could help to change ‘everything’.

    If Princes Street had ever been pedestrianised (with or without trams) things would have been different (maybe better, maybe Edinburgh...)

    Whether the new St. James centre brings people back and brings more (or fewer) to the rest of the city centre, remains to be seen.

    Posted 4 years ago #
  18. Morningsider
    Member

    Cycling along Morningside Road this morning I noticed that the Council had reinstated some of the car parking spaces previously given over to pedestrians. They were easy to spot, as they were all empty.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. gembo
    Member

    The mound route down the way has cars parked in very bad places outside shops and whiski room. Where there are single yellows that they are just going to be in for hardly any minutes except all day

    In better news Semple Street surface is fab

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Can confirm that the northbound route on Old Dalkeith Road has popped down. There will be a line in that £10 million spend for removing it, which is great.

    https://twitter.com/overlandertheb1/status/1334521317043937281

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Proper speechless.

    I am leading the Spaces for People scheme on Old Dalkeith Road (ODR), thank you for taking the time to raise these concerns. I will attempt to explain the reasoning behind our decisions, below.

    Bus lane

    The installation of the initial temporary orange segregation cylinders occurred on both sides of the road including in the bus lane which features for a large proportion of the northbound lane. This was due to traffic being considerably lower at this stage of the lockdown. Lothian buses requested that they have their bus lane returned to full use in November when they expected traffic to return to normal levels. As a result, we had to remove the cylinders from their bus lane and not replace them with any of the more robust semi-permanent segregation you now see on ODR.

    Narrow carriageway

    The second issue was relating to the relatively narrow carriageway at parts of ODR (between Walter Scott Ave and Kingston Ave) Here it was felt that if there was segregation on either side it could be dangerous for large vehicles to pass each other at speed, especially on corners. Also, should an emergency vehicle need to pass there could be problems if the road was busy as vehicles would not be able to pull over as efficiently. We could not reduce the width of the seg cycle lane below 1.5m to make more space, as 1.5m is the minimum width that allows a sweeper vehicle to pass and clear the cycle lane. As a compromise we decided to place segregation on one side of the road, where possible on the uphill as the contrast in speed between bike and vehicle would be highest here. On the non-segregated side we repainted the cycle lane line from dashed advisory to a solid mandatory line and widened the lane from 1.3m to 1.5m.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. Stickman
    Member

    So when there wasn’t much traffic then cyclists should be protected from that traffic but now traffic has returned then cyclists shouldn’t be protected from that traffic?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Stickman

    I've replied to the guy but my jaw was on the actual floor. It's through the looking glass stuff.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. Frenchy
    Member

    Lane defenders being installed at the north end of Gilmerton Road this morning.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. CycleAlex
    Member

    Defenders going in on Fountainbridge/Dundee Street too.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. chdot
    Admin

    Here’s an opportunity for some suggestions -

    Thanks to all councillors for coming together to show support for the city centre and agree to ask officers to consider immediate short term measures to support it

    https://twitter.com/jomowat/status/1336986527709192194

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Just used the lane defenders on Gilmerton Road. Was not expecting that. Usual problem: junctions are a free-for-all but very welcome all the same.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    Loadsa defenders now in on Barnton Ave
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    for pedestrians. Never been aware of a particular ped distancing problem there but hey ho. Zippo cycling provision on NCN1.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. Frenchy
    Member

    @IWRATS - There's a bit at the traffic island near the junction with Glenallan Drive which feels more dangerous than it did before they made the changes. Other than that I was pretty happy with the changes.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Frenchy

    Fancy a wee site visit?

    Posted 3 years ago #

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