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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes
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Lines going in on Craigmillar Park. Was somewhat expecting this bit to be scrapped in favour of Mayfield Road.
@Stickman The amount of lane defenders being used there seems a bit overkill given that it'll just (well, should) be buses using that section.
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To this end, they committed an act of vandalism on our local democracy at the council meeting. Stung by public and political criticism of their bungled “Spaces for People” road closures and cycle lanes and the huge future risk and cost of trams, they want it silenced.
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Not a pop-up as such.
Slightly segregated lane (no wands) in Glasgow.
Looks like pavement is mostly blocked by a planter!
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Context? Is this the QiBC?
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Don't know why folk just won't use the cycle lanes...
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Causewayside/Grange Road junction facing north.
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Another study showing painted cycle lanes make cycling more dangerous than nothing.
Marchmont to King's buildings should get cancelled or redesigned.
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I was just about to post that link but toomanybikes beat me to it.
Abstract:This study of cycling injury risk in London examines impacts of road characteristics and environment, including different types of cycling infrastructure. It controlled for exposure by using a case-crossover method alongside an algorithm developed by Transport for London to predict cyclist routes.
When compared to no infrastructure, this study found that protected cycle infrastructure reduced odds of injury by 40-65% in the morning commute, whereas advisory lanes increased injury odds by 34%. Junctions were found to increase injury odds threefold; higher pedestrian density also increased injury odds. This study supports growing evidence of a ‘safety in numbers’ effect.
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While the use of 'injury odds' seems to control for the fact that roads with cycle lanes will tend to have more cyclists on them, I can't work out whether it controls for the fact that cycle lanes might be more likely to be painted on 'dangerous' roads (narrow/busy/fast etc.)
It maybe sounds like the 'case-crossover method' is intended to control for this it doesn't seem to explain what this is.
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Comiston Road northbound this morning: despite a spacious parking bay being provided directly outside the premises that the driver of white van registration LC66 FLL wished to visit, they instead chose to block the mandatory cycle lane completely by parking in it illegally:
The subtly (though likely quite unconsciously) malevolent aspect of this is that, if there were also vehicles using the actual parking bay then cyclists would be forced all the way out in to the main carriageway.
(Should arguably be in the rubbish parking thread, though that seems to have gone very quiet recently.)
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If you can physically get a vehicle somewhere then eventually vehicles will turn up there.
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I wonder in these cases how much is just 'habit'? i presume white van guys have internalised "we don't block customers driveways"? It would 'feel weird' to do it?
Not excusing, just trying to understand the mentality. You know, like that first time you wore a mask outside and it felt like everyone was staring at you.
At my work, covid regs say not to use the lift unless you have a disability or moving goods. bloke who cycles in still uses it everyday. habit I think.
Likewise there was some research on how difficult many people find it to change routes/modes of transport. I am definitely guilty of this.
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"Just habit" could be taken to imply a lack of conscious decision making - not something that should be regarded as particularly acceptable in the case of people in charge of motor vehicles, I'd have thought.
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Pop up paint
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The Evening News revealed last week the bewilderment of residents when the lines appeared in Braid Road, Morningside, given the closure of the road had been at the centre of a well-publicised controversy for months.
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Article includes
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"Painting double yellow lines on a closed stretch of road has been a waste of time and resource and only served to annoy my constituents in Buckstone and Fairmilehead further. It is farcical and Labour and SNP councillors need to ensure Braid Road is reopened forthwith."
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So, that’s ‘make a mistake and pay for it by giving us what we want’(?)
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Unconvinced by the explanation, resident Paul Bailey decided to measure the gap left by the road closure signs for cars to get past.
"It was just 3ft 10in - clearly far too narrow for blue badge vehicles, or any others, to pass."
So the grey van that's parked there most times when I pass that way is a figment of my imagination, then?
And the Interserve van that followed me through there the other week (previously reported on here, with photographic evidence) ditto?
Paul Bailey probably went there with his tape measure on one of the few occasions when the barriers hadn't been 'unofficially relocated' in order to cater to the desires of a small number of drivists.
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Perhaps we should apply the EEN commenters' cycle infrastructure logic to roads. Take away the barriers for a week but leave the signs. If every driver behaves and there's no recorded incidents of cars driving through, they can have the road back for good.
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I've seen a vehicle go through there at least twice.
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There are the same three guys (Paul Bailey, Ian Vandepeear and Andy Jeffrey) who appear in every single post about Braid Road whether it be in EEN, I Love Morningside Facebook Page, Cllr Scott Arthur's Facebook page, anything. They're like a broken bloody record. I used to respond to them but it got so tiresome I've moved on. I don't think they have anything better to do except complain about Braid Road and I worry it's the squeaky wheels like them that'll finally get their way.
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@pringlis: one of those guys complained on Twitter to the police about what he thought was the dangerous behaviour of the James Gillespies bike bus. The police responded to say there was nothing wrong and the kids were enjoying themselves, at which point he took the huff. He just hates cyclists.
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Well remembered @Stickman - Andy Jeffrey of Abus joinery (not the most reassuring google reviews) - he deleted his tweets but the response to the police was that people waiting at the bus stop were endangered.
Not my most well judged twitter response I give you - but here it is (and I thanks thanks to you for the pic)
https://twitter.com/blackfordsafer1/status/1129402804345483265?s=20
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lol. he seems to have blocked me
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Interesting and informative piece from SPICe on the Scottish government's "commitment" to reducing car use. Includes this gem of a conclusion, which also makes a handy TL;DR summary:
"The Scottish Government’s pursuit of a road building programme that may produce more, rather than fewer, car journeys may make achieving the desired reduction in car travel more difficult. In addition, the Scottish Government will also have to carefully manage demand for car travel as we exit the coronavirus pandemic, to prevent unsustainable travel choices becoming embedded in people’s daily routines."
https://spice-spotlight.scot/2020/12/16/back-to-the-future-reducing-car-travel-in-scotland/
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Had a rumble round town. On Duddingston Road the new lanes had lots of people walking about in them. Chucking-out time at the school. Cars parked everywhere regardless. I'd rather have been in the road I think.
Abercorn Terrace I think I rode in a pedestrian zone by mistake.
Holyrood Park Road some guy wound down his window and bellowed 'Get in the right lane ya c***!' for reasons I cannot even imagine.
Edinburgh is as confusing and belligerent as ever.
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Heading out of town on Gilmerton Road on Monday I came across a new segregated lane outside Morrisons. An actual had landscapeds lane with kerbs. However by the time I realised what it was it had passed and I was on my way. Has it been discussed previously or was it one of the inclusions in a resurfacing project?
At least part of it is a 2 way lane but there was no obvious way to get into the contraflow part so perhaps it's not finished yet.
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The segregated section is a QR61 upgrade delivered by the Gilmerton Road resurfacing.
A mighty 75m of segregation built a mere four years after consultation: https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/sfc/design-cycle-walk-niddrie-gilmerton-moredun/
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@acsimpson
It seems designed to accommodate people emerging from here and turning into town. The council seem to think that's a route used by cyclists but I think they are wrong about that.
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The consultation on Braid Road has been extended - lots of negative chat on Facebook, would appreciate any emails of support to spacesforpeople@edinburgh.gov.uk. by Wednesday at 1700. Reopening Braid Road would put a lot more traffic on the Greenbank to Meadows Quiet Route.
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