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Personally, I don’t think the case for using Covid Powers to close Braid Road has been made and that the Greenbank to Meadows Quiet Route can succeed without it. Whilst James Gillespie’s Primary School will certainly benefit from the quiet route, closing Braid Road simply forces more traffic past South Morningside Primary School.
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Zero sum game(?)
Plus about 8 other schools that will benefit - it's disingenuous to suggest it's just JGPS but I know he's saying it to placate. In our deputation which he saw we mentioned 9 schools and had it countersigned by 5 (from memory).
Also the southern most modal filters on the Quiet Route were removed based on the Braid Road closure. Everyone will be deeply confused when the traffic on Comiston Road is still utterly awful after opening Braid Road. The only solution, of course, is to open as many potential alternative routes as possible until eventually the city is a beautiful haven of perfectly flowing traffic everywhere.
“The only solution, of course, is to open as many potential alternative routes as possible until eventually the city is a beautiful haven of perfectly flowing traffic everywhere.“
Yes, that’s what you expect from Conservative councillors not semi-detatched Coalition ones.
(OK he’s probably not in favour of ‘perfect (motor) traffic flow’, but...)
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We won’t hit any public health or environmental objectives without significant traffic reductions. It’s time for people to face up to that and be honest about it.
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(I have my doubts about standing again)
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https://mobile.twitter.com/CllrScottArthur/status/1339339571855814659
Thinking again on yesterday's urban rumble the thing that got me was the sudden change from 'this is nice I am protected' to 'battle stations klaxon hyper-vigilance' when the protection ends and you are projected into a normal junction but peopled with drivers irritated by the previous segregation.
Cannot imagine much modal share shift - the dangerous bits at least as dangerous as before and possibly more so.
No Councillor (with the possible exception of Melanie Main) ever showed any interest in reducing traffic outside South Morningside Primary until the short section of Braid Road was closed. Some argued against 20mph speed limits being imposed on roads used by hundreds of kids a day to get to school. The Council has let school crossing patrols (lollipop people) dwindle to almost nothing - there are meant to be five.
Spare me the crocodile tears. Your actions show that you care more about drivers being "inconvenienced" than our kids.
It would be a great relief if councillors had to take sodium thiopental before speaking.
Their tortured pussyfooting round what they really think is painful for everyone.
“Your actions show that you care more about drivers being "inconvenienced" than our kids.“
All too true.
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Sir Chris Hoy in the @edinburghpaper today is spot on.
Tribalism on social media and polarisation in the City Chambers may be good fun for some, but it's holding back Edinburgh.
We need to work together to improve Edinburgh. I wrote about this in July: https://drscottarthur.scot/2020/07/30/the-false-battle-between-cyclists-and-motorists-in-edinburgh/
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1339472987817451520
If there is anyone in Edinburgh more tribal than Professor Doktor Stadtrat Herr Arthur I think anthropologists would be queuing to meet them.
I don’t think he understands which tribes he’s in.
He seems to deny membership of some tribes he IS in - like the Capital Coalition (if that’s what it’s still called).
The Buckstone Massive(ly likes driving) etc.
With Conservatives you know they are name-bound to promote the status quo.
With Cllr Drs it’s less clear what they are about/for.
Then there’s things like this which I don’t actually understand -
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Actions have consequences. We should not blame others for the predictable consequences of our own actions.
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1339333313484517380
(But of course I’m not a Dr/expert)
Well I understand the words but not why they are a valid response to this
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No chance of people driving less??
#ThingsNeedToChange
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I noted with interest that Daniel Johnson's recent leaflet featured Cllr Lezley Cameron but not Herr Professor. Could have been hyper-local I suppose but I did wonder if the Professor had become semi-detached?
He is, as I understand it, a hyper-partisan Great British nationalist at heart rather than a socialist or a Labour loyalist. Only really elected by mistake, he wanted to be an M(S)P and defend his country.
@IWRATS, sounds like a perfect candidate for Sir Keith's Blue Labour Party then!
@iwrats, certainly elected by mistake. On fifth transfer I believe. The rest of it also has a ring of truth. He fell under the enthusiastic wing of Young Blair. Nice young man can be spotted on his bike around the backstreets of Colinton most days. Blair always on the lookout for cannon fodder. Et cetera.
The number of people with an address in both Daniel Johnson's constituency and in Scott Arthur's ward could almost certainly be counted on your fingers. I'm not sure you'd even need your second hand.
If anything, Cllr Arthur's inclusion on leaflets would be "hyper-local", and reading anything into his not appearing on them would surely be a mistake.
@Frenchy
You are fully correct. It is a hyper-local leaflet for the council ward. I am mistaken.
Interesting that the French equivalent of the one-nation wing of the Tory party are now issuing virulent condemnations of that country's equivalent of Spaces for People called 'Coronapistes'.
Touting them as polluting and anti-business is bold but entirely predictable. Same game, same playbook.
https://twitter.com/RepCD93/status/1339529457250525184/photo/1
Both of these phalanges are well paid by petrochemical companies and car makers
Is this true?
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The Quiet Route design of filters on Whitehouse Loan will now funnel *all* traffic past JG Primary School. Without resident consultation, there’s no engagement to ‘drive less’ just a huge amount of resident frustration.
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https://twitter.com/christinecarr/status/1339612859152609284
“adjacent”
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The SfP team contacted me about my blog.
They said:
"For clarification, the Greenbank to Meadows measures do not include the closure of Braid Road...".
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"Braid Road is on the plan as it is adjacent to the QR but does not form part of this scheme..."
I hope that helps.
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https://twitter.com/cllrscottarthur/status/1339617352208556033
@chdot - no that's unadorned nonsense - I'm afraid that person has form on this. It filters all traffic *Coming from Bruntsfield Crescent* past JGPS. There are very few cars on that street compared to the volume that drive down WL using it as a through route.
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The Quiet Route design of filters on Whitehouse Loan will now funnel *all* traffic past JG Primary School. Without resident consultation, there’s no engagement to ‘drive less’ just a huge amount of resident frustration.
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No.
Unless by "all traffic" she means all traffic going to/from Bruntsfield Cres, which is already a cul-de-sac and contains less than 30 properties.
The filters will in fact discourage people from driving right up to the school gate
chdot - here's the map of the scheme (scroll down a bit). The modal filters prevent traffic travelling the length of Whitehouse Loan - removing all through traffic from that route.
So there will be far less traffic passing in front of the school. I can't really see who would drive up Warrander Park Road and into the small area of Whitehouse Loan between the two filters - I assume some parents dropping off children might, but they would do that anyway.
@algo will know better than me though.
EDIT - that'll teach me to nip away for a cuppa before hitting post.
“contains less than 30 properties”
A few more but not lots.
Thanks for reminder about map -
Cycled the length of Fountainbridge/Dundee Street westbound today. Was left utterly bemused by the very short stretch of segregation between Ponton St and the primary school, given the trajectory of the road — anyone wishing to actually use it would need to do some sweeping arcs. Mandatory (solid line) cycle lanes parked in, of course. Segregation starts past Viewforth, then ends at Gibson Terrace and doesn't restart until after Yeaman Place, i.e. is absent precisely where it is most needed at this stretch, given that this is exactly the missing link between the canal and Telfer/Dalry and Yeaman Pl is a bad rat run. (Why? There are zigzags either side of the pedestrian crossing anyway.) Just baffling. I was considering this as an alternative school run route to avoid dragging the 7yo along the narrow/dark towpath, but not in this state.
@piosad there is a weird stretch in Stockbridge near the library which is really just to segregate pedestrians from road users
@piosad - A couple of people have been in touch with Spokes about some aspects of the Fountainbridge lanes. Likely to be writing to councillors about it, I think, and will try and include those points.
The segregation went as far as Murdoch Terrace when I went along at the weekend. I realise that's not much better, but I'm hoping if they've not actually taken it out again?
The plans sent to Spokes do show segregation on the zigzags at that pedestrian crossing, so will definitely ask why that's not been included. Possibly due to the bus stop immediately west no longer being a floating design.
Long read but fascinating!
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LTNs are nothing new—roads were blocked to carriages in Ancient Pompeii, for instance—but they have come to prominence during the coronavirus pandemic
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