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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes

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  1. gembo
    Member

    Think we have far more info on here than any FOI would unearth? FOIs are PITA and our council tax is super wasted on them. Get a lot over Xmas when peeps are bored,

    These stones won’t have helped build that much road? Suppose easier than digging them out of the ground first then crushing them.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. Frenchy
    Member

    I wonder if @gembo's FOI responses are as entertaining as his CCE posts...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    Good question...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. Arellcat
    Moderator

    I already tried archive.org and didn't come up with any results for the mighty tome.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. gembo
    Member

    @frenchy, there is a system with FOIs that irons out any hint of sarcasm. I think the concept of FOIs is good. freedom yeah, information yeah but in reality they fall into a variety of categories that are quite common a. Good ones, b. Fishing expeditions by journalists c. Nuisance

    Then there are other less common ones

    d. People who think they are trying to help you, e. Your actual colleagues f. Even weirder

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. slowcoach
    Member

    The Boog Watson book seems to be online at https://www.scribd.com/document/57398403/Edinburgh-Street-Names

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. ejstubbs
    Member

    @arellcat: Love that Patrick Moore meme. Madder than a bucketful of frogs in some ways but he played a pretty straight bat when it came to science-y stuff (though not so much when he was actually playing cricket: I understand the term "a true number eleven" could fairly be applied).

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. gembo
    Member

    Patrick Moore, scratch a British Eccentric, reveal an English Facisit?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    The top FoI bod of the Scottish Government is a keen bicyclist and a friend of mine.

    Obviously I know nothing of her work but category f. must be interesting I would imagine?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    FOI became an industry.

    Now it is Risk.

    How did we survive before?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Can go one of two ways - government just publishes everything it does by default or we go back to only knowing some of what happened thirty years afterwards.

    My guess - the latter.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. CycleAlex
    Member

    I remember looking through the disclosure log not too long ago and being thoroughly bemused seeing a CEC consultant using an FOI to get information they needed for the CEC project they were working on.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. SRD
    Moderator

    Also fishing expeditions by academics. There’s a historian at St Andrew’s whose gotten a few articles out of FOIAs.

    If I was going to be snarky, I’d say they rarely told us much we didn’t know. But always interesting to see the paperwork.

    Colleague of mine got a Telegraph article and forthcoming journal article out of FOIAd papers about a plot to assassinate Thabo Mbeki in London. Seriously bizarre story.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. Stickman
    Member

    Cllr Rust is concerned ice in protected cycle lanes will force cyclists into the traffic so wants the protected cycle lane cancelled so that cars can park in that space, forcing cyclists into the traffic.

    That he’s talking about the potential for cyclists to be killed on the road where Andrew McNicoll was killed is the icing on this unpleasant cake.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/call-edinburghs-latest-traffic-measures-be-delayed-amid-concerns-over-wintry-weather-3086431

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. toomanybikes
    Member

    @stickman I may have pinched most of that for a comment on the article. So ridiculously stupid.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    What did we do to deserve councillors who are opposed to making space for people?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

  18. gembo
    Member

    Poor cllr rust does not seem to know the area

    There is always snow in the inside lane as the plough can’t get in for the parked cars so nothing has changed

    He should campaign for 20mph limit on that street.

    If he had any public spirit

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. Stickman
    Member

  20. chdot
    Admin

    My bold

    The group claims the implementation of the lanes will minimise parking, deny safe access to residential homes and local businesses, as well as reducing the roads to single lanes which will cause major congestion.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    Think we’ve discussed this one...

    as when we carried out a professional survey through a market research company

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Link for anyone doesn't have access to the Chipwrapper.

    Real filth there. Cycle lanes putting children at risk is cesspit-level stuff.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. ejstubbs
    Member

    Right there in the first paragraph: "South West Edinburgh in Motion (SWEM), a group representing all road users, including cyclists, in the south west of Edinburgh".

    Well that's a completely unfounded statement to begin with.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. ejstubbs
    Member

    In other news: I saw a mini-gritter clearing snow off the northbound cycle lane on Comiston Road yesterday. That's the day after the latest overnight snowfall; much quicker than last time (when I believe it never actually happened).

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Had to avoid the Gilmerton Road lanes last night. Northbound snowed under, southbound hard to see what was there.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. Stickman
    Member

    @ejstubbs: how can you possibly reasonably debate with someone who objects to a road safety measure because they are worried about driving their kids to football practice?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. Morningsider
    Member

    ...exploitation of the community through subverting the democratic process...

    ...by temporarily installing some plastic bollards so people who would normally travel by bus, which the Government have told them to avoid, have the option of cycling in relative safety.

    Think the Professor might want to take a step back and have a think about what he is saying.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    “how can you possibly reasonably debate with someone who objects to a road safety measure because they are worried about driving their kids to football practice?“

    Well yes.

    Are kids currently allowed to practice with others?

    Once again it’s ‘we don’t like change’ v ‘let’s at least try something different’.

    One irony here is, perhaps, ‘we’ are likely to back CEC doing something ‘less than ideal’!

    Somehow (I think) we understand the issues and context(s) better the various ’not in my neighbourhood’ groups.

    It is quite possible that CEC is overinterpreting the letter of the law/regulations.

    In which case SG should sort it out and alter/add to whatever regulation/law is required AND make it all not ‘just for the Covid emergency’.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. gembo
    Member

    Sounds like Dean Professor Scott is seeking re-election? Crazy he only got in by a fluke

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. Dave
    Member

    It's a single issue group, specifically set up to block this one cycle lane and preserve a few parking spaces. Nothing constructive has come out of South West Edinburgh in Motion and nothing ever will. Pure exploitative NIMBYism

    Posted 3 years ago #

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