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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes
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@iwrats, Uppercase Kenny and lowercase kenny. Could confuse. But given the exact and specific nature of the forum should be ok.
The Daves all have fab distinguishing monikers Medium Dave, Original Dave etc
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Still no sign of any work starting on the Lanark Road SfP scheme, when I passed through earlier today.
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Old Dalkeith Road cycle lane (singular) had been cleared of snow except on the unprotected bits where it hadn't been.
You just shrug and move on though, eh?
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Comiston Road cycle lanes had been cleared this morning except at side roads, where the motorised traffic had churned up ruts and insurmountable piles of sticky, wet snow which pretty much forced you to dismount. At least if they'd cleared the side roads as well then the junctions would have been clear anyway.
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Letter to local residents and stakeholders says of Lanark Road scheme:
"Starting at Gillespie Crossroads, we expect the work of line marking and cycle lane defender installation to take six weeks starting on the 25 January 2020."
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On the subject of the wands that have been removed in Morningside, as far as I can see it's just the stretch adjacent to Studio One - a grand total of six parking places (one of which was occupied by a police car when I passed by this am). All the wands on the northbound side are still in place (except for one very short stretch almost opposite the aforementioned shop) and no others on the southbound side have been touched.
Such a pity that the shop has been forced to close, failing as it does to qualify as "essential" by any rational criteria.
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@ejstubbs - Yes I'd noticed that, and to taunt you, the "stick person" is still visible on the carriageway.....
OK it is a miserable day however as I walked I noticed how few pedestrians there were *HOWEVER* the number of cars was unbelievable....
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Oh no! I hope this doesn't set any kind of precedent.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55724093
The Mayor of London and Transport for London acted unlawfully in a road scheme which restricted licensed taxis, the High Court has ruled.
Crucially, she [the High Court judge] said the "Streetscape" plan would now have to be reconsidered and seriously amended.
All of which muddies the waters for these types of schemes.
Those who support making cycling and walking easier in safer will be bitterly disappointed.
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Apparently the anti-cycle lane banners that appeared on this bridge have gone missing.
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@twinspark: OK it is a miserable day however as I walked I noticed how few pedestrians there were
I did see one old boy using two sticks to assist his undeniably slow but nonetheless determined progress up Morningside Road this morning. Bless him. There's a woman who plods purposefully up our road more or less every day with the aid of a walking frame, come rain or shine. And another who passes our house most days with her guide dog patiently leading the way. IMO it's folks like these who really bring home the principle of "spaces for people".
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“The lack of on-street parking will also likely cause widespread upset to local residents as our members try to seek parking on already overly congested side-streets. We all rely heavily on the on-street parking currently available to survive and we feel that more could be done here with these plans to provide further parking across Lanark, Inglis Green and Longstone Roads.”
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Prof French counted far fewer cars than spaces.....is this the feckin gowfie again? Or the boilers.?
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One thing I had noticed in Morningside / Bruntsfield is that when the cafes were open and had tables outside it often seemed to be the case that these were where there was adjacent pavement parking and further along where there was no pavement seating there was additional space on the road protected by "Orcas".... seemed a bit counter intuitive that the extra space wasn't where there was the pavement seating......
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@neddie:
I found this a useful commentary on that TfL judgement:
https://twitter.com/nuttyxander/status/1351997286230986753?s=21
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Wasn't there some comments on twitter last month (from D. Hunter and others) saying the likes of Spokes should not be lobbying? Now you have people represented by nurseries, a drama group, football club etc. raising concerns - can't have it both ways...
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We get a running commentary on this since our kids are at nursery on Lanark Road. Based on years of using this nursery I think the objections are a sort of moral panic and if it just gets built, everything will be fine or even better than it is now.
For example, there is only space on the nursery driveway for 3-ish cars but (apparently) 100 kids to pick up.
With the current road layout a lot of drivers nose in, find there isn't space and they reverse back out onto the A70 into the main traffic stream. You have to do this blind because there are parked cars on the A70 right up around the nursery entrance.
Once the parked cars are replaced with a cycle route, when you are reversing out of nursery onto the main road you'll have much better visibility of A70 traffic, making traffic movements around the nursery much safer.
Of course, South West Edinburgh in Motion et al portray it exactly the other way around... crisis
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Alternative facts then...
“if it just gets built, everything will be fine or even better than it is now”
That would be good.
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Moral panic angle does tap into the hysteria. Also baby boomer entitlement to park car outside house even when you have a drive and garage and drive it to wherever you want and then park exactly outside the destination as you have never ever factored in any time for any hiccup in your morning or evening routine.
As with any cycling or walking scheme. It is ok unless it inconveniences drivers.
Drivers who are currently only making essential journeys. Aye right.Posted 3 years ago # -
Dave: ... I think the objections are a sort of moral panic and if it just gets built, everything will be fine or even better than it is now.
I don't think there's anything particularly "moral" about the panic: it's just instinctive resistance to change, especially if it means that the new situation might end up requiring just a fraction more effort or thought on the part of the panicker.
There was a considerable amount of mumping and grumping about the Comiston Road cycle lanes when they first went it, but I think people have realised that they make zero difference to traffic flow. Before they went in only one lane in each direction was ever used (except at peak times at the Fairmilehead lights) due to - guess what? parked cars. And given the usage rate of the parking spaces that have been provided it looks like there's still plenty. Even the tedious builder who insisted on parking his van in the cycle lane*, and then in the adjacent bus stop when the yellow lines were extended to make it clear that you shouldn't park there, seems to have accepted the new status quo.
So I tend to agree with you: if they just get on and build it (which will be when? The link that stickman gave doesn't seem to mention a firm date) then people will get used to it fairly quickly, especially if any details in the plan that clearly don't work quite as intended get addressed reasonably promptly (as did the issue over the disabled space on Comiston Road that the EEN got itself so steamed up about).
* Which reminds me: I believe it was morningsider who confirmed that it's not actually illegal to park in a mandatory cycle lane in Scotland. I'd love to be able to read up more about that, if anyone has informative references to hand.
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@ejstubbs - here you go:
https://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/underhand-law-change-undermines-mandatory-cycle-lanes
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@ejstubbs - A few links on parking in mandatory cycle lanes:
Cycling UK (before): https://www.cyclinguk.org/blog/its-time-fix-law-stop-parking-cycle-lanes
Cycling UK (after): https://www.cyclinguk.org/press-release/scotland-passes-opportunity-close-cycle-lane-parking-loophole
CCE thread: http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=19882Transport Secretary's reasoning for opposing: https://www.theyworkforyou.com/sp/?id=2019-10-09.18.328
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@Morningsider. Thanks for that. Reading it (a) makes my head spin, and (b) makes me despair that our legislators can manage to be quite so inept. (If it was a conspiracy those responsible must have been fiendish beyond the dreams of any Bond villain.)
Gotta love this, in the context of the moaning from Keep South West Edinburgh Polluting:
"...DfT had quietly changed the law so that it is no longer an offence to park other types of vehicle in a mandatory cycle lane ... This change was made without telling (let alone consulting) local authorities or anyone else, either before or after the change was made."
Well, if they didn't consult then it must have been illegal then...er, right?
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@gembo: ...baby boomer entitlement to park car outside house even when you have a drive and garage
One thing that puzzles me is why tradesmen seem so reluctant to use their customer's driveways. It might be that some customers don't want them to do so (in which case: why?) but when we get tradesmen in to do work I always tell them that they'd be welcome to put their van on our spacious drive - but hardly any of them do.
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Hello IWARTS,
I am currently looking into options that might help with the northbound route [on Old Dalkeith Road]. It remains difficult as we don’t have the carriageway width to create a 1.5m seg section on the northbound without creating dangerous corners where large vehicles could collide trying to avoid the segregation.
I will be in touch if we can find viable improvements moving forward.
Best regards
Council Consultant
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@ejstubbs: I follow a plumber on Instagram (no, really) who was sharing his delight the other day that, on a 'two-van' job, not only was he able to park in the client's drive but next door (also a recent client) allowed them to park the other van there as well.
'More trouble than it's worth' for even the slightest chance of conflict or vehicle damage?
Conversely a friend in Marchmont said that his electricians dropped off all their stuff then one of them moved the van down to the free parking at Kilgraston Road and walked back. Can half an hour of their time really be worth no more than £20? Especially when they soon realised, to their horror, that they'd forgotten something and would have to go back...
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@ejstubbs: the council have confirmed work is starting next week:
https://twitter.com/edinburgh_cc/status/1351925584188813315?s=21
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Transport Commitee update on SfP. Braid Road to reopen one-way southbound. As we’ve been led to believe, this will resolve alll congestion issues in the south of Edinburgh.
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