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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes

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  1. Stickman
    Member

    Transport Committee tomorrow. I’m going to go out on a limb and predict that the Tories will do their usual trick of referring the SfP decisions to full council.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. gembo
    Member

    @stickman this works for them despite being puerile and a waste of full council time

    Imagine how much bigger tools they would be if Coalition did not have the numbers

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    There is no Coalition. Herr Doktor Professor Stadrats Arthur is an OPPOSITION councillor.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. Stickman
    Member

    He is not a councillor but a tribune of the plebs: he prostrates himself before the downtrodden and weak of Fairmilehead and lets them use his humble body as a vessel through which they can transmit their unheard voices to the powerful; Edinburgh is truly blessed to have such a selfless, courageous truth-teller.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. Stickman
    Member

    Lots of deputations from Concerned Residents Groups about SfP measures. All of them saying, in one form or another, that the roads are currently safe and we just need to share the road and be respectful.

    https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/b17701/Deputations%2028th-Jan-2021%2010.00%20Transport%20and%20Environment%20Committee.pdf?T=9

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. chdot
    Admin

    From link (is this true?!)

    The only Parking and Loading bay on the entire 1 mile length of the Craigmillar Park Corridor is located directly outside Ian Murray MP’s office.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. gembo
    Member

    His office is on the corner of a row of shops south of which is pretty much B and B places. So true regards Loading potentially

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. gembo
    Member

    Note south is short hand for down to Cameron toll

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Yeah I would say that was true. But so what?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. chdot
    Admin

    “But so what?“

    Seems bizarre that there is only one on whole road.

    (And/or why any?)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. gembo
    Member

    There is parking but no shops so no loading. Plenty loading after his office but this stretch is largely ending at his office>

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. neddie
    Member

    Even the "racism card" played.

    Such desperation to maintain parking and perceived "free flowing" traffic...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. Stickman
    Member

    Cllr Arthur bravely not attending Transport Committee, allowing him to oppose the coalition without actually opposing it.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. Morningsider
    Member

    @Stickman - he cannot leave Fairmilehead unguarded. He would return to find it overrun by cycle lanes and his wife seduced by a smooth talking Spokes lothario.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. gembo
    Member

    7 years ago he seemed a normal dad. Power has corrupted him utterly

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. neddie
    Member

    Some additional "late" deputations here, including a couple of positive ones:

    https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/documents/s30992/Deputations%20list%2028.01.21%202%20full.pdf

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    @Morningsider

    Only the one wife? What self-respecting Bronze Age warlord only has one wife?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. jonty
    Member

    @Morningsider you have brightened up my morning with a little chuckle.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    “normal dad“

    Mmm there’s a combination of words.

    Which one has changed??

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. Stickman
    Member

    I’ve got the TEC webcast on in the background. Cllr Webber has just spent some time, rightly, pointing out the significant costs to people, the council and the NHS of injuries caused by slips and falls on ice. I wonder if she’ll make that connection to SfP measures or will she just continue to tell cyclists to deal with it and risk injury/death on roads?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. ejstubbs
    Member

    @chdot: Seems bizarre that there is only one on whole road.

    Controlled parking zone 7 runs north from the East Mayfield/West Mayfield junction, which is where Murray's office is. Northwards from there is generally (apart from bus stops, and DYLs at junctions) no parking 07:30am-06:30pm Mon-Fri and 08:00am-06:30pm Sat, and no loading Mon-Fri during the hours of operation of the bus lane. Outside Murray's office and the immediately adjacent five retail premises there is one loading bay - which can only be used outwith the hours of operation of the bus lane - and three pay-and-display, maximum stay one hour bays (which can also be used for loading) which can also only be used outwith the hours of operation of the bus lane. There are no other retail premises north of that junction (and thus little need for on-street parking) as far as the Salisbury Road/Salisbury Place junction, beyond which there are a fair few parking and loading bays on Newington Road, South Clerk St etc.

    South of Murray's office all the way to Cameron Toll i.e. outside CPZ7 you can park or load pretty much anywhere so long as you avoid the operational hours of the bus lane, bus stops and short stretches of DYLs at junctions.

    Arguably, where there are no, or only limited parking restrictions, i.e. outside the CPZ there's no need for parking or loading bays. And it's more than a little misleading to use the phrase "the entire 1 mile length of the Craigmillar Park Corridor" in a discussion about parking/loading arrangements when 2/3 of that 'corridor' is in a CPZ and the other 1/3 isn't.

    IMO: technically it's more or less true, but it's pretty clear that the facts of the situation have been presented in a deliberately partial and incomplete way in order to try to discredit the occupier of the premises concerned. (Either that, or the writer is unable to read and comprehend the signs which explain the parking and loading restrictions on the different sections of the 'corridor'.)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. Morningsider
    Member

    @Stickman - classic dead cat. The SfP funding does not reduce the budget for pavement gritting by a single penny. It is an entirely separate budget. If Cllr Webber is so concerned then she could suggest which roads should be deprioritised for gritting so resources could be reallocated to pavements.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. Stickman
    Member

    @Morningsider - this was a separate discussion about the council taking on responsibility for gritting currently unadopted roads, thereby letting developers off the hook for maintenance.

    I was just observing the compartmentalised thinking we see.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. chdot
    Admin

    “have been presented in a deliberately partial and incomplete way in order to try to discredit the occupier of the premises concerned“

    No doubt!

    “Outside Murray's office and the immediately adjacent five retail premises there is one loading bay“

    Looking at StreetView it seems his office is completely flanked by DYLs!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. Morningsider
    Member

    @Stickman - thanks, although I am sure a cyclists Vs. pedestrian narrative will be along shortly.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. CycleAlex
    Member

    If I heard that correctly, the Meadows-Greenbank QR should be getting implemented from the middle of next week.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. Stickman
    Member

    They are proposing a segregated lane on Meadowplace Road but are excluding the section from Tesco up to Drumbrae roundabout because there is too much traffic “and it seemed sensible to exclude that section”. Appreciate that redesigning that roundabout is a huge job but it sums up the Edinburgh approach to cycling.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. CycleAlex
    Member

    Always disappointing when it moves from officers back to politicians.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. Stickman
    Member

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/spaces-people-road-changes-are-just-tip-iceberg-and-need-be-better-explained-drivers-alastair-dalton-3115235

    Some have reacted to the threat to their perceived entitlement as if they were being robbed of the motoring equivalent of the US Constitution’s second amendment, enshrining the right to bear arms.

    But they don’t get the big picture. Change is coming, and Spaces for People is just the tiniest tip of a giant iceberg heading their way.

    Experts have told me there’s acceptance that some of the measures were rushed out during a pandemic that hindered proper explanation and prevented full public debate.

    That’s a lesson to be learned as councils seek to persuade communities of the merits of making the changes permanent.

    Because, for drivers, there will be a lot more to come.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. chdot
    Admin

    Well yes.

    Problem is, most people (including ’us’) find it hard to understand how the ‘new normal’ could be much different from BC (before Covid) given general political realities and societal caution/statusquoism.

    Calls for ‘build back better’ don’t seem to be going anywhere fast.

    It’s to CEC’s great credit that they are persisting with measures that are receiving so much backlash.

    Today’s Scottish budget is very much more of the same - as Spokes points out.

    Posted 3 years ago #

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