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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes

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  1. acsimpson
    Member

    Thankfully space prevented consideration of grand pianos, so there was an upper bound...

    Upper bounds for upright pianos still seem to sit in the same magnitude as those of family cars.

    @Neddie, There is a definite gap in the market for turbo trainers you can plug electrical equipment into. I don't see any reason a smart trainer shouldn't be smart enough to power itself and all the assorted computing and screens which go along with it.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    @neddie I suspect actually powering the TV might be quite difficult, but this might be the next best thing:

    https://www.instructables.com/No-TV-unless-you-exercise/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. chdot
    Admin

    Don’t some turbo trainers have USB ports already?

    (Not saying that would be enough to power a telly)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. Murun Buchstansangur
    Member

    "Don’t some turbo trainers have USB ports already?"

    Some smart trainers do, but they'll always be on as long as the trainer is plugged in and switched on.

    Unless they're specced as USB-C PD ports, standard USB max power output is about 10W IIRC

    Posted 3 years ago #
  5. acsimpson
    Member

    A reasonable size tv seems to use about 50W, couple that to a laptop using another 50W and the power output shouldn't be a problem for many fit cyclists.

    The problem seems to come from the cost of a generator which would be a considerable percentage of a cheap trainer. I suspect that the generator wouldn't provide the "real road feel" which higher end trainers offer.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. neddie
    Member

    New thread for bike powered TV, as this one has drifted enough, get ma drift?

    http://citycyclingedinburgh.info/bbpress/topic.php?id=20502

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. Morningsider
    Member

    Incredible report from Newcastle City Council about attempts to skew public consultation on pop-up Covid walking/cycling street taming so the facilities would be removed.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. gembo
    Member

    Yes I saw this reported on a WhatsApp group I am a member of. 1000 false accounts?who facilitated that?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. crowriver
    Member

    Wonder how many of the signatures on the SfP petition are genuine? Of those, how many live in Edinburgh?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. gembo
    Member

    On line petitions east to skew, but if consultations are being hacked then what faith can we have in consultations?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. Stickman
    Member

    @crowriver: the London cabbies have picked up on it and have been signing it.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. Roibeard
    Member

    I didn't say the upper bound for upright pianos was affordable!

    We were replacing a Victorian piano which was cheap at end of the 19th century - everything was a revelation...

    Robert

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. crowriver
    Member

    We went for a digital piano when buying a couple of years ago. Basically a synthesiser with a better (weighted) keyboard, and some very good samples of real pianos stored within.

    Positives are it is relatively easy to move, doesn't require tuning, and practice can be done wearing headphones. Can also output MIDI signals, etc. Significantly less expensive than a real piano. Obviously people give away old uprights for nothing, but you have to get them moved (to a top floor tenement flat in our case) and tuned regularly.

    Negatives are I suppose it's not a real piano, and eventually it will break down, as all electronic devices do.

    As for the sound, which was the original poser. Pretty good, to be honest. Better than I expected.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. CycleAlex
    Member

    Three generations of cycle lane width on Queensferry Road: https://twitter.com/Will0Thomas/status/1363438049259094016?s=20

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. ejstubbs
    Member

    @chdot: New Spaces for People row: Cyclist tells of near miss as cycle lane makes him converge with articulated lorry

    The thing about the incident reported in the EEN is that it could easily have happened before the cycle lane was put in. The issue at that location is that the southbound lane gets squeezed from two directions: northbound there's a right turn filter lane in addition to the bus lane and the 'normal' traffic lane. The upshot is that there is really only one lane left southbound, given that Comiston Road has been engineered to have four lanes. The southbound situation is then aggravated by the fact that the footway has been built out by a couple of feet or so to provide space & tactile paving for pedestrians crossing to the refuge that continues the line of the northbound right turn filter lane. Basically, at some point in the past the road at that junction has been reduced to a single lane southbound.

    Without being able to re-work the whole junction, SfP probably had little option but to terminate the cycle lane short of the squeeze point. It is far from great, but one could argue that if the 'seasoned cyclist' had been paying a little more attention he might have noticed that he cycle lane was coming to an end and taken appropriate steps to rejoin the 'normal' (i.e. motorised) traffic flow.

    Perhaps also, if the cycle lane hadn't been there the artic driver might have held back on recognising that his vehicle and the cyclist were converging on a pinch point. So one might argue that the presence (and sudden disappearance) of the cycle lane also misled or confused the artic driver.

    Short of some radical remodelling of the junction the only thing I can think of off the top of my head that might mitigate the risk there would be some clear signage, both for cyclists using the lane and for drivers. A "caution cycles merging" sign or something like that?

    (Or you could close the junction altogether, and route traffic from BHR along Riselaw Road or Riselaw Crescent? But I doubt there's much appetite for anything like that in the current 'excitable' atmosphere.)

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. mga
    Member

    Consultation for retaining spaces for people schemes:

    https://consultationhub.edinburgh.gov.uk/bi/retainingspacesforpeopleconsultation/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. gembo
    Member

    Filled in, long but plenty of opportunity to support the work

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. CycleAlex
    Member

    New page about making projects permanent: https://www.edinburgh.gov.uk/streetschemes

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. gembo
    Member

    Both these links will take you to mother link to complete the survey. I would exhort everyone on the forum to complete this survey and as positively as you can please.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. algo
    Member

    Amen @gembo

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. boothym
    Member

    https://twitter.com/carfreeholyrood/status/1363515510390939648

    Guessing the best chance of these closures being extended is a bunch of people at the gates deciding to partake in some exercise that just so happened to prevent cars accessing the road when it is supposed to reopen?

    As it doesn't seem likely that HES will change anything.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. chdot
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  24. ARobComp
    Member

    A question I need some help with SfP wise. I need to win over some locals on this consultation.

    Can I confirm that the money the council received was time bound and ring fenced for these campaigns specifically?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. Stickman
    Member

    @ARobComp: the criteria are set out in this Sustrans article:

    https://www.sustrans.org.uk/our-blog/projects/2020/scotland/spaces-for-people-making-essential-travel-and-exercise-safer-during-coronavirus

    In particular:

    Immediate delivery

    Projects should be delivered quickly and provide a visible improvement that has an immediate benefit.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. Frenchy
    Member

    Yes.

    "Spaces for People will only fund temporary infrastructure and interventions aimed at making essential travel and exercise safer during COVID-19." (their emphasis).

    From Sustrans' FAQ on SfP funding.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. neddie
    Member

    I need to win over some locals on this consultation.

    If those locals are neutral or slightly in favour, you may have a chance.

    If those locals are anti, it's very unlikely to be able to convert them. Hitting them with data will simply entrench their views.

    Let's focus on pulling neutral people towards support

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. ejstubbs
    Member

    Painted cycle lanes and parking spaces, with associated DYLs as appropriate, have progressed westward on Lanark Road as far as the golf club. Expect wailing and gnashing of teeth to ensue...

    My first impression of the parking spaces on the westbound side by Dovecote Park was that they start rather abruptly, on a bend, and rather uncomfortably close to a pedestrian refuge:

    Wouldn't surprise me if this didn't attract some adverse comments quite soon.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. gembo
    Member

    No one uses that refuge as the cars go too fast down the hill

    Good shot of the bend though

    Posted 3 years ago #
  30. ARobComp
    Member

    @Neddie I think that the people I am speaking to are misinformed, hopeful I can win them around. The interesting point about the SfP is that this has not been paid for by the council (to a degree) but instead has been paid for by ScotGov and the process is time limited.

    Tearing it out costs money we don't have and improving it comes out of the existing Active travel budget (I would suspect). The impact on the average person who might not use the cycle lanes or travel into town much will be tiny (apart from the benefits they'll have from a healthier city down the line). Therefore bringing Anti's to apathetic or neutral is a benefit here as it disarms potential negative responses to consultation. Especially as there is very little actual change in my area outside of one street. So most of the ire is directed via the hype being shouted by the anti-side.

    Posted 3 years ago #

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