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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes

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  1. PS
    Member

    My working theory was (up until Brexit at any rate) that the Conservative party primarily exists to occupy positions of power so that others cannot.
    They don't want to do anything, just prevent others from doing.
    We now see a clear divide between the revolutionaries in the Vote Leave faction in London and the provincial yeomanry.

    I think this is accurate. I had never really thought about the use of "conservative" in the party name until a pal came back from a trip to rural Nottinghamshire, noted how idyllic it was and said it's not really surprising that they vote Conservative in order to conserve the status quo.

    The party's approach involves giving an inch here or there to diffuse tension and split its opponents, in order to avoid someone else taking charge and doing something radical.

    The Brexit thing is a real anomaly. Likely the least conservative thing the Conservative party has ever done, until you look at it through the prism of politics and see that it allowed them to conserve their position in power.

    However, they're properly loosed from the moorings now, divorced from doing what is economically best for the country (in the traditional Conservative sense). I can only hope that this is their undoing.

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  2. crowriver
    Member

    The Conservative & Unionist Party haven't been truly conservative since the embrace of Monetarism under Thatcher. That was the revolution which swept away social democracy in the UK in favour of the market running almost everything, a process that was so normalised it continued under New Labour and only ended with the de facto nationalisation of banks after the financial crisis of 2008.

    The Brexit faction in UK conservatism is like the Tea Party faction in US Republicanism: right wing fundamentalists who want government to pivot to a more extreme right nationalist position politically after the failure of Thatcherism/Reaganomics. In the UK they had their own party (UKIP/Brexit) until the C&UP tacked right to usurp their agenda as that of government. Hence the Brexit referendum and all that has followed that. Now we even have our own version of Trump in Johnson.

    Like Republicans under Trump, Tories under Johnson feel free to pursue their own local agenda as the national party has hardly any real policies anyway (check the C&UP manifesto from last year if in doubt), and therefore is pretty much winging it most of the time. Also the culture wars have reached such a level that Tories in Scotland oppose the SNP for the sake of it, even if some of the policies enacted by the SNP are almost the same as those enacted by the Johnson government in London.

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  3. chdot
    Admin

    Susan Kenyon, an academic who specialises in travel and behaviour change, said it was simplistic to assume that building more cycle lanes and closing off roads to traffic would, on its own, lead to long lasting changes in behaviour.

    “For 100 years governments and industry have put cars and car use at the centre of our life and policy [decisions] and it will take a huge effort to unpick that.”

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/18/a-new-normal-how-coronavirus-will-transform-transport-in-britains-cities

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  4. ARobComp
    Member

    Not sure if posted but Cllr Scott Arthur did a good review with some good responses from the good burghers of Colinton Oxgangs and Fairmilehead. Reasonably extensive and shows clear indication of what people are wanting. Probably a reasonable amount of selection bias based on the questions etc but eminently sensible outcomes. Have written to the cooncil email address as per Adam Mcveys shout out and got a "we're really busy" reply.

    https://drscottarthur.scot/2020/05/09/a-mandate-for-safer-travel-for-all-in-colinton-oxgangs-fairmilehead/

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  5. Arellcat
    Moderator

    Coming home yesterday evening along the Shawfair-Roslin path, it struck me that for all of Midlothian's positive claims about cutting back vegetation to improve physical distancing, all they have actually done is address what was being neglected before, cutting it back in order to reveal the full width of tarmac again.

    Meanwhile two chumps walking in the direction of Loanhead separated, one on each verge. I actually stopped on one side and asked them to pick a side because I couldn't physically distance between them, but they were completely clueless, or obstinate or something, and I just had to zip down the middle and hope I didn't encounter their germ trails.

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  6. sallyhinch
    Member

    Over the winter we did some clearing of path edges along our main cycle path in Dumfries and it was amazing how much more width you get, even on a path that wasn't particularly overgrown. It felt at the time like a bit of a cosmetic exercise but we did it because a local handcyclist and wheelchair user was finding it difficult to move out of the way of bigger groups and he was willing to organise it. I'm so glad we did it now! I was riding along it the other week and everyone was walking on the strip on either side that was exactly the bit we were clearing back. It just made the path feel like something you could easily use without having to carefully negotiate and time every encounter. It's funny, but you never quite know what the consequences of your actions will be

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  7. Morningsider
    Member

    SNP and Tories have just voted down an amendment to the Coronavirus No2 (Scotland) Bill, introduced by Green MSP Mark Ruskell, that would have extended the maximum duration of temporary TROs and RSOs from 18 to 24 months. The aims was to allow more time for temporary measures to be assessed and allow for full TRO/RSOs to be obtained if appropriate (well, in theory anyway).

    The Minister argued against it - stating they were happy with an arcane process allowing a local authority to apply to the Minister for a six month extension of individual Orders.

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  8. gembo
    Member

    Bad SNP/Tories

    Posted 5 years ago #
  9. minus six
    Member

    they've also voted down a rent freeze and collective bargaining for private sector care workers

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  10. Stickman
    Member

    Apparently at tonight’s online meeting of Corstorphine Community Council the LibDem councillor was objecting to a temporary bike lane because she was worried about bus stops.

    Nothing significant is going to get done.

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  11. minus six
    Member

    that bulls**t path signage as well..

    i mean fine, everyone (cyclists!) slow down etc..

    but where's the bold text guidance to keep you dog on a leash ?

    i love dogs but i do not like their dippit non-handlers

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  12. CycleAlex
    Member

    @Stickman Good to know nothing changes. (2018)

    I was talking to Cllr Gloyer at last week's Corstorphine Pollution public meeting about the need to have visible segregated routes on main arterial routes.

    She didn't seem keen on Corstorphine Road getting them due to buses. I didn't get chance to explain bus stop bypasses

    https://twitter.com/hank_chief/status/1071182070385397760?s=20

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  13. Stickman
    Member

    It’s been 10 days since the UK government said “action should be taken as swiftly as possible and in any event within weeks” and nearly a week since the council meeting. Has anything happened?

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  14. Morningsider
    Member

    @Stickman - of course something has happened!

    "Discussions".

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  15. Stickman
    Member

    I await with excitement for “discussions” to move onto the next phase - “local consultation”

    Posted 5 years ago #
  16. Frenchy
    Member

    Two projects (closing Warriston Road and Stanley Street) are currently in the "local consultation" phase (ends Monday).

    If they don't rapidly increase the quantity and radicalness (radicalacity?) of projects we're doomed.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  17. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    I quite like the clarity of the situation. There's a public health emergency and there isn't a bicycle to be had for miles around.

    If we don't get a joined up network now then we never will and we can all just relax and accept that city bicycling is a hobby for middle class eccentrics.

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  18. Arellcat
    Moderator

    "have just voted down an amendment"

    "didn't seem keen on"

    Just as well we watered down that whole Charter of Brussels thing before it got too tricky, eh?

    Everyone will catch climate change and it might kill everyone in 50 or 100 years. But that's ages away, it's our children's problem, so carry right on driving. And now there's an invisible thing going around that if you catch it, it could kill you within in a fortnight. And we still aren't really doing anything about it.

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  19. crowriver
    Member

    "If we don't get a joined up network now then we never will"

    Unfortunately I'm rather more convinced by the latter part of this statement.

    There's no political will to do much more than grandstanding, window dressing, and endless consultations, TRO processes and so on.

    The Scottish minister for transport has publicly stated he's quite content to keep the processes for changing roads and streets as they are. I mean, why change? The TRO procedures are a great way to:
    a - Divert all the energy and enthusiasm of active travel campaigners into futile, interminable bureaucracy.
    b - Divert all the righteous anger and bitterness of anti active travel campaigners into the same.
    c - Put councils off doing anything too ambitious due to the sheer complexity and cost of the TRO procedures.
    d - Create a lot of heat but not much light, thereby maintaining the appearance of democratic participation in local decision making.
    e - Change very little in a highly piecemeal fashion.

    Status quo maintained; Scotland's Oil guaranteed a local market; Transport Scotland has more drivers and vehicles to plan road expansion schemes for; parking and loading largely unchanged. Job done!

    Next on to Scotland's "world leading" climate change targets, which we will of course meet through de-commissioning coal power stations (check), offshore wind (check), incinerating municipal waste to create "renewable" energy (check), subsidising the purchase of electric cars to use on the expanded road network (check). Oh don't forget to put in some waffle about active travel, energy efficiency, public transport etc. and throw a few bawbees to the paupers...

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  20. Arellcat
    Moderator

    It's known as "busy work".

    Posted 5 years ago #
  21. CycleAlex
    Member

    I imagine Sustrans might be the blocker now. Lots of LAs have submitted bids, if they're trying to be hands on with everything it'll be an age before they actually approve things. Then up to five days for local consultation/whatever and however long the notice period is for a TTRO.

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  22. Stickman
    Member

    St John’s Road is now a steady stream of traffic. The moment has passed, we’re going to be back to normal.

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  23. I were right about that saddle
    Member

    Strike when the iron has cooled.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  24. Stickman
    Member

    The attack on democracy has been repulsed, the rebels have been crushed and their supporters have fled back to their bolt holes.

    Edinburgh will not be dictated to by a Westminster Government, a Holyrood Government or a global pandemic.

    Posted 5 years ago #
  25. gembo
    Member

    Edinburgh is weird it has both the highest number of cars per household and the highest number of cyclists

    Any overlap on the Venn?

    I mean homes which have 2 or more cars and also people who cycle living in them??

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  26. HankChief
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  27. HankChief
    Member

    1. V pleased that we’ve sent out 2 substantial active travel schemes today for notification to stakeholders & local councillors - both facilitating easier,safer travel to hospitals. Old Dalkeith Rd/ERI and Crewe Road South for the Western General. Both segregated cycle routes.

    2. These schemes will add to those already in place - Silverknowes Rd, Braid Road/Braidburn Terrace, Links Gardens in Leith and Cammo Walk. We’re also consulting on Warrington Rd and Stanley Street/Hope Lane at the moment. I understand that.....

    3. ... this is the largest scale of temporary road reallocation interventions in Scotland at the moment, although happily much happening across Scotland. Much more to come and @Edinburgh_CC team working extremely fast to bring forwarding quality schemes...

    4. I completely understand people’s anxiety & concern that all of this should be in place immediately & preferably yesterday! However, we cannot ignore the complexity that, as the roads authority, we have to consider. Includes potential conflicts, emergency vehicle access...

    5. ....residential/business locations, potential for successful challenge and above all ensuring real safety for all those using the new facilities. It cannot be simply planters thrown down in the street. It must be considered & effective. And discussed with all those impacted.

    6. I share the concerns about timing and the fear that the window of opportunity for inc walking/cycling/wheeling may close as car traffic increases again. I can only assure you that we are working as hard and as fast as possible to get it all as right sas possible.

    7. This emergency response in our terrible crisis is only possible courtesy of the flexible @scotgov fund Spaces for People through @SustransScot . Edinburgh has bid for significant support to help put in place a really comprehensive set of effective measures as we go forward.

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  28. Morningsider
    Member

    For some reason I read that tweet in the dull monotone of an aged Brummie transport planner. The regulations, the need to consult, the threat of legal challenge, the Sustrans funding bid, why it isn't about "planters thrown down in the street" and the need to "get it all as right as possible".

    Here are a few (positive) things for Lesley to consider:

    1. The Scottish TTRO system is effectively the same as that in England, where councils such as Manchester City Council and Brighton and Hove have moved far more quickly than Edinburgh.

    2. Given the standstill in capital works, CEC could reallocate part of its own active travel budget to facilitate temporary infrastructure - no need to wait on Sustrans funding (although still bid, obviously).

    3. There is no need to consult on Traffic Regulation Notices (which can last for 21 days - giving enough time to secure a TTRO for any scheme - as these have a 7 day notice period). You could literally close streets, widen pavements or create cycle lanes today. See Section 14 of the Road Traffic Regulation Act 1984 and the Transport Scotland Coronavirus (COVID-19) Guidance on Temporary Traffic Regulation Orders and Notices

    4. Research shows that cycle infrastructure works best if it is part of a coherent network - a cycle lane on old Dalkeith Road will not help new/less confident cyclists who would have to pass through the Cameron Toll roundabouts.

    5. Who is going to mount a legal challenge to infrastructure needed to facilitate social distancing in the middle of a global pandemic. On what grounds? What are the chances this would be successful? Be bold - CEC is on strong ground here.

    6. Planters can work - they are being used by several English local authorities, such as Hackney, to facilitate filtered permeability.

    7. You don't have to get it all right at first. Changes can be made. Remember - almost all of Edinburgh's street layout and road space allocation was never consulted on, or even actively "designed". Experiment, make mistakes, learn and improve - we tell our children to do this, perhaps we should listen to our own advice.

    Most of all - move fast, we have days to act before the Status Quo resumes - and we all know how long they go on for...

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  29. HankChief
    Member

    Meanwhile Cammo Walk was mobbed tonight. Pics in tweet

    https://twitter.com/hank_chief/status/1263154155033710592?s=19

    Posted 5 years ago #
  30. acsimpson
    Member

    I was shown this tweet this evening:

    @markruskell 3h
    Very pleased my amendment to extend the life of pop-up cycle lanes, walkways and other #spacefordistancing measures narrowly passed with Labour, Libdem and Tory support. We need to #buildbackbetter our communities with #saferstreets #covidbill

    Does anyone know what his amendment was?

    Posted 5 years ago #

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