Had a run in with some builders this morning on the Lanark Road. They parked on the double yellows yesterday but I figured they were setting up scaffolding so I could live and let live, but today it was clear they just plan on parking in the Spaces for People lane full time, and so I asked if they couldn't move literally 10 seconds to the all day free parking... they were not happy. I actually thought I might get in a punch up.
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Scottish Govmt announces £10m for pop up cycle/walking lanes
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From link on previous page
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Councillor James Asser, Newham’s Cabinet member for Environment, Highways and Sustainable Transport, said; “Many residents from our two boroughs do not own a car and with capacity on public transport limited by Covid-19, we need to ensure that walking and cycling are safe and attractive options.
“This experimental scheme is designed to stop drivers using our quiet residential areas as ‘rat-runs’ where vehicles cut through our neighbourhoods to avoid main roads, bringing with them pollution, congestion and road safety hazards.”
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Not sure if this will be a link or what:
CONTAINS SWEAR WORD
https://www.facebook.com/david.mccraw.18/videos/10158856939645772/
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Well done.
What's the camera attached to?
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It's on a selfie stick, and the magic software of today edits it out. It's an insta360. You choose the camera angles later, or the AI does it for you (like when it follows the driver and the van, that was not me)
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That's pretty horrible Dave. Sorry you had to do that to get someone to do something that by any means is completely reasonable. Sad times.
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That's a superb camera.
What make/model is it please?
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Insta360 one x2
But disclosure, I took the sound from the gopro on the handlebars. I only got the 360 camera today and I couldn't figure out how to get sound out of it (surely just user error).
It's on a selfie stick, zip tied to the pannier rack. Earlier I whacked it off a bollard... needs some refinement :)
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Well he was a charmer!
Probably the owner too, shame you still can't easily submit stuff to POLICE!SCOTLAND thats breach of the peace.
And another, thats a great camera.
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Works, alerts you to a roofing company not to use.
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Well that was entertaining! Glad the workie was all bark and no bite though and very calmly dealt with
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More thread drift (but...) -
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As discussed in the article this incident has sparked a Cycling UK Scotland campaign to improve policing specifically around road violence and the use of camera footage. However, this post is not discussing that campaign. This post discusses my formal complaint to the police.
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http://www.magnatom.net/2021/03/of-police-complaint-i-havent-written.html
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About the builders' van:
I do have some sympathy for delivery and trades drivers in these situations as it is unfortunately one thing that hasn’t been very well thought through in some of these works. If you have heavy gear to unload or collect you do have to be able to do so fairly close to where it is needed.
We, as campaigners (and who have probably seen the plan drawings), all know that loading is often possible just around the corner in the next side street, or a bit further along (but how far can you reasonably haul scaffolding poles without needing to acquire and have some kind of barrow or trolley (and know that you will actually need one)?), but we also need to try to think from the perspective of an ordinary person driving who unexpectedly now finds they can’t unload where they could before, has no idea what they’re “supposed” to do (let’s assume that at least some would do the right thing, if suitably advised), and there are no signs, or markings on the pavement, say, or even stickers on the separator poles, to indicate where the nearest loading or parking bay actually is?
Councils are horribly fond nowadays of these ghastly plastic message hoardings to wrap around lamp posts, but using them to highlight the nearest loading bay is probably actually one situation where they could and reasonably should be used?
(Obviously none of this excuses someone who has now parked their van there, now obstructing the highway, after having unloaded.)
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@davecykl, the other Dave did consider your points and was indicating that the fellow was not unloading as he had been there for two days and there was a permanent free space ten metres away.. Dave then Said he would wait until they had finished unloading.. so I agree with your general point that the Mad Mac Man was making in the video that you can unload. But then you need to move.
At the last farmers market the delivery van for the pharmacy basically drove through the crowds. There are perfectly good car parks either side of the pharmacy so no need to drive to the front door. Maybe they think the addicts of Balerno will instantly pounce and break 8nto their vans? Or maybe the default is always to park right outside even if it means ploughing through crowds of children. Obvioulsy the marshalls at the market manage this process very well. I just don’t see why the delivery vans can’t be parked in either of the carparks? Once a month. I think the idea you can just park where you like as you are working on a job and your mate will shift the van if the wardens come or you are delivering pharmaceuticals et cetera does need to be queried. As Dave did with this roofer, he knew he was allowed to park on double yellow to unload and was I feel taking the Mickey. He will be there again today I imagine....
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@gemobo - Omnicare by any chance? Their drivers have form for a particular sort of driving, "do I look like I care? These corn plasters are heavy", as they mount the footway, park on crossings, etc. Comes from the top, in my experience, as head office back their drivers' entitlement to the hilt.
Robert
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@davecyl: but how far can you reasonably haul scaffolding poles without needing to acquire and have some kind of barrow or trolley (and know that you will actually need one
I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a company which regularly needs to move heavy/awkward equipment should invest in a means to help them do so in cases where access is not straightforward, rather than relying on always being able to have kerbside access to the premises they will be working on. Alternatively, such things can be hired on a daily basis from equipment hire companies if required for a one-off job. IMO it basically comes down to CBA, make it
someoneeveryone else's problem.Posted 3 years ago # -
I'm trying to pitch escorted nursery bike commutes to the other parents so this kind of parking is very unhelpful.
I would totally park in the cycle lane if there was some compelling reason like I had to rescue a fallen disabled person with a broken wheelchair or stop a mugging or something. But just parking your vans on the double yellows all day right next to free parking spaces... **** that!
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If they need to double-park to unload heavy or bulky stuff, then fine - but do it in the carriageway, not the cycleway or pavement.
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Slight derail - Warriston Road SfP. There was a road closure at the city centre end (?) last year, but that has now been removed - is that right? Came up in a silly FB post blaming SfP for access problems to Crematorium (although focussing on other end of WR), and I said something about this, but may be off base?
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I haven't actually been there myself, but my emails tell me it was reopened in late November, yeah.
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James @jwjlewis from @SpokesPorty seeks to retain #Portobello-#Musselburgh route
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https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1385178561204604931
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I keep reading about how emergency services can't access anything due to bollards. Surely after a year there are (provisional?) statistics on this? Has anyone seen anything published?
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[Warriston Road SfP] reopened in late November
This is a terrible decision, as that particular closure protected the frequently used access to the Warriston path from the bottom of Brandon Terrace via Boat Green.
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@NiallA: is the Facebook post using a picture of a car parked on the pavement beside a painted disabled bay? I’ve seen that photo being shared in various places recently. If so, it ignores that the disabled bay has been there for years and has nothing to do with SfP.
That street is really too narrow for parking today’s width of cars.
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Cllr @maxmitchell91 asks for #OrchardBrae uphill SfP #covid cycleroute to be reinstated to the programme
Officer says this is a relatively simple scheme and will investigate if can still be implemented within funding deadline
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https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1385184550901456899
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@gembo, I was making a point in general about how delivery and trades drivers are "supposed" to know/learn what to do now that the road layout has changed, because that is something that really hasn't been handled well. My last sentence related to the specific driver and acknowledged how they shouldn't be there.
@ejstubbs, in principle I agree that they should have a trolley, but, up until now, I doubt that there have been many premises next to the road where loading hasn't been possible (or at least able to be got away with, where not really legal), so it is understandable why such a thought and preparedness simply just wouldn't ever occur to (m)any people, as it hasn't ever (or very rarely) been needed previously.
Tenuously similar example: look how few people (except for perhaps us here, who saw the advantages) regularly used reusable shopping bags until the supermarkets started strongly promoting them, with lots of "messaging" effort both in-store and in advertising. I think we can too easily underestimate how easy it is for many people just to unconsciously stick with doing "what they have always done", unless guided or prompted; independent thinking is hard! Many drivers will still be in the "Bloody council has made
parkingloading awkward" phase of thought, rather than having yet reached the "This is the new normal from now on, so we must make sure we have a barrow/trolley with us, as we will increasingly need it now" lightbulb moment (perhaps especially as many of them won't want to change their long-standing practices anyway).The protected cycleways are the sea-change in road layouts that we have been asking for, and a sea-change often requires a change in practices, but the comms from the council advising of that to other affected parties, and what changes they need to make, has been poor (if not entirely non-existent), so it is understandable that it comes as a surprise to them.
I'm not trying to condone the actions of delivery/trades drivers, but I am trying to point out that the council has a duty to disseminate advice about the changes in their working practices that people will now need to be ready to make, in order to both help them, and help to ensure that the road layout isn't misused. You would think they could use the Chamber of Commerce or local Trades Guilds, or similar, to send out an information leaflet, etc, and there must be other ways they could spread the advice as well.
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At Transport Committee Cllr Neil Ross asking for the new quiet route from Braid to James Gillespies to be removed.
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@Stickman
Yes, that’s the image. I made all those arguments. StreetView suggests that disabled space went in around 2013-2014.
I was checking whether the SfP closure had gone, so that it was possible to say with a clear conscience that there was absolutely no link to SfP here.Posted 3 years ago # -
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#Edinwebcast #SpacesForPeople
Cllr @lmacinnessnp says we are approaching end of emergency SfP phase where traditional consultn not possible
That process was agreed by *all* council, despite later complaints
In June, Council moves to full lengthy consultn #ETRO #TRO processes
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https://twitter.com/spokeslothian/status/1385197906567761922
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