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  1. neddie
    Member

    It's perfectly possible for many people to get used to sleeping through noise.

    Noises like planes, cars, trains, ticking or even chiming clocks, stairwell noise, etc.

    Having lived in a flat for >10 years, we barely notice any noise in the stairwell now...

    It's when you try to sleep somewhere new, and experience a new noise, that you end up thinking, "this must be awful"

    Posted 3 years ago #
  2. jss
    Member

    Very true. I lived in Mexico City for 5 years in a building that shook every time a heavy truck went by as the whole place is built on the jelly like mud of a lake bed . Got so used to the shaking that not infrequent earth tremors never woke me

    Posted 3 years ago #
  3. ejstubbs
    Member

    My flat in South End Green, Hampstead was the other side of the road from the North London Line. I had no disturbance from normal railway traffic, but when the nuclear flask trains went through you could feel the whole building shake. Fortunately I was usually asleep when this happened, and they never woke me, but if I'd been up late and I felt one passing it always reminded me of the title sequence of Edge of Darkness, which was a trifle unsettling...

    My next flat overlooked Camden Street, a busy two-lane one-way street. I got used to the traffic pretty quickly, but the Greek Orthodox Church across the road used to keep me awake every Orthodox Good Friday, with its 24-hour service broadcast to the world on an outdoor PA system. Mind you, the entertainment provided by some of the spectacular weddings that were held there probably made up for one disturbed night of sleep per year.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  4. alps
    Member

  5. mga
    Member

    "Edinburgh pensioner 'rocketed' head first over Spaces for People bollard into Greggs window"

    https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-pensioner-rocketed-head-first-20452828

    Seems unlikely.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  6. neddie
    Member

    I was sitting in a car that was parked on Bruntsfield Place and my wife got out to cross the road to the shops and she tripped on the base units of the Spaces for People bollards...

    And they'd driven from Craiglockhart to Bruntsfield. A journey of 1.5 miles.

    Tells you all you need to know.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  7. neddie
    Member

    On the "angry objectors" article, let's hope the council have the sense to raise the bollards on the Royal Mile on Friday

    Posted 3 years ago #
  8. CycleAlex
    Member

    "They (the council) can spend millions on putting bollards around and screwing them into the roads but not fix the potholes that are already there." It's annoying how often this is said without being refuted in the EEN/EL despite it being misleading.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  9. HankChief
    Member

    IMPORTANT & URGENT

    Given the Tories are politicisng the SfP programme at tomorrow's full Council, it would be good if people wrote to ALL councillors tonight with their support and what it means to them...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  10. steveo
    Member

    On the train issue. Virtually every train west and north goes past my house, never notice them unless I'm in the shed. Frankly a train is nothing compared to my kids! Sometimes hear the sleeper if I'm awake at 2am usually dealing with the kids, less of a problem these days.

    These houses must have been murder back in the day my garden backs on to a siding and the steam trains coming out of the station must have made a terrible noise and the smoke must have coated everything!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  11. Dave
    Member

    HankChief, they what?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  12. HankChief
    Member

    Agenda point 8.5 at tomorrow's Full Council has a motion by Cllr Webber, which includes the below section. Expect deputation from the newly formed Anti-Groups too...

    "Notes with concern significant public disquiet with this exercise, not least given a strategic piece of work which impacts on wards across the entire city and with potentially permanent outcomes where there continues to be:

    a) Public opposition of many Community Councils and Local Residents Associations

    b) Extensive negative coverage in local and national media

    c) Significant concerns raised by consultative bodies representing less able citizens and users of public transport

    d) Significant concerns raised by public transport bodies

    e) The apparent failure of Council Officers to always give full and complete answers in public meetings

    f) A disputed legal basis for the lawful promotion of some schemes

    g) The leading nature of the attempted consultation

    h) An absence of valid information to permit informed feedback

    i) Absence of timely consistent data from the Cities network of cycle counters

    j) A shortened timescale notwithstanding it being extended which still fell short of other less complex single-issue consultations"

    Posted 3 years ago #
  13. Stickman
    Member

    Extensive negative coverage in local and national media

    I wonder how that happened.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  14. chdot
    Admin

    Presume it will get voted down?

    https://democracy.edinburgh.gov.uk/mgMemberIndex.aspx?FN=PARTY&VW=LIST&PIC=0

    Posted 3 years ago #
  15. Dave
    Member

    Apparently there's going to be an angry driver sit in tomorrow, presumably on the royal mile. Anybody fancy a counter protest? How many people do you think we could drum up...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  16. CycleAlex
    Member

    "let's hope the council have the sense to raise the bollards on the Royal Mile on Friday"

    Easy solution:
    Keep them open.
    Deploy numerous parking attendants.
    Tickets galore.
    Make press release thanking them for funding active travel infrastructure.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  17. chdot
    Admin

    “angry driver sit in“

    Oh the irony!

    Posted 3 years ago #
  18. Stickman
    Member

    Presume it will get voted down?

    Will Scott Arthur lose his internet connection at voting time again?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  19. chdot
    Admin

    But never mind the Conservative motion; there are four deputations to today’s meeting, from Get Edinburgh Moving (GEM), South-West Edinburgh in Motion (SWEM), Silverknowes Community Group (SCG) and Newington Hotels Group (NHG), so it’s not only our group the coalition will snub but the thousands of their supporters.

    https://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/opinion/columnists/edinburghs-spaces-for-people-scheme-city-council-should-listen-to-people-but-heres-why-it-wont-john-mclellan-3217432

    Posted 3 years ago #
  20. chdot
    Admin

    Claiming 15,000 signatures on their online petition opposing the Spaces for People consultation, Mr Hunter also said: “Sustrans is a cycling pressure group – it should not be involved in designing consultations or feeding into surveys. The survey is designed to achieve a predetermined result. It focuses on drawing out answers that pain the status quo as negative and requiring improvement. There were no controls to ensure that survey responses were verifiably fromwithin the area. It neglected to ask residents their views on the previous proposals brought forward.”

    https://theedinburghreporter.co.uk/2021/04/council-considering-a-new-approach-to-consultations/

    Posted 3 years ago #
  21. chdot
    Admin

    Ooh look

    MORE congestion caused by SfP measures

    https://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/edinburgh-and-glasgow-congestion-surges-by-up-to-80-with-latest-lockdown-easing-3217808

    TAKE THEM OUT AT ONCE

    Posted 3 years ago #
  22. Dave
    Member

    I'm torn. I could take my lunch cycling into town to check out the Spaces4Drivers protest... or I could not.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  23. algo
    Member

    @Dave - midday tomorrow (Friday) on the Royal Mile right? I presume outside city chambers. I'm tempted to go along at midday and see exactly what this entails...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  24. Rosie
    Member

    "Get Edinburgh Moving" as distinct from "Make Edinburgh Pleasant." I have no problems moving about the city on cycle, walking and public transport except those caused by cars. Also swift and direct movement by car should be low down on the priorities for cities.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  25. wingpig
    Member

    I have child collection/meetings around lunch but was wondering if it was possible to view from one of the publicly-controllable tourist webcams I recall from 2007 but it requires Adobe Flash.

    Posted 3 years ago #
  26. gembo
    Member

    Vebberloony in same party as Boris?

    Posted 3 years ago #
  27. Dave
    Member

    Listening to the council meeting live. Right now there's some kind of motion about the SfP consulation.

    LOL, "Councillor Webber's motion is designed to sh*t stir" is only a mild paraphrase...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  28. chdot
    Admin

    Webcams seem to have gone out of fashion.

    A quick Google trawl finds more dead links than live cameras!

    Used to be fascinated by the Princes Street one during the prolonged tram line build...

    Posted 3 years ago #
  29. Dave
    Member

  30. algo
    Member

    Daft protest tomorrow now postponed - ostensibly due to sad incident at Silverknowes - more likely due to poor uptake

    Posted 3 years ago #

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