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We need a Scottish Parliament election thread
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Head over heart?(!)
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Brown said Sturgeon and her party viewed the future of the country “in terms of a battle between Scotland and the rest of the UK” and claimed that Scots were more interested in action to solve social problems than independence.
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@chdot, err no.
My favourite unionist is Gordon Brown but I am voting to leave at the next ref.
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Where are you going to leave him?
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Brown said Sturgeon and her party viewed the future of the country “in terms of a battle between Scotland and the rest of the UK”
Broon is the Scottish Rowley Birkin QC, awaking from his mumbling reverie to bark a few words unconnected to the situation in the streets of North Queensferry.
Imagine buying a paper with money and getting that.
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There was a time when Lab was fully justified in wanting to preserve ‘The Union’. Particularly because of the idea that ‘only Lab can bring social justice to the UK’ and ‘working people in England and Scotland have common interests’.
The 2nd bit is probably still true. Whether the first bit was/is true can be debated.
GB wasn’t a good PM. Should probably never have got the job.
As Chancellor he did lots of stuff around poverty that is probably unacknowledged - and subsequently largely undone. To do this he (and Blair) came to understandings with ‘the City’/markets/those with interests in deregulation that have ongoing consequences.
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There's nothing stopping working people in England and Scotland pursuing their common interests if both nations become self-governing. Quite the opposite.
One of the best arguments for Scottish self-government is that it forces an exchange of ambassadors between the (minimum of) three countries that share the Atlantic Archipelago. That means proper discussion and compromise rather than people shouting at each other through megaphones.
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“There's nothing stopping working people in England and Scotland pursuing their common interests if both nations become self-governing.”
Indeed.
So you have to wonder in whose interests various politicians are trying to act...
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Sounds like an unnecessary/illegal journey.
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What could be more necessary than saving the Union? (Though on reflection I think that means he should stay away?)
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I fear he is about 12 months too late to save the union. Keeping Britain in Europe or at least closely aligned with it was his best chance.
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@acsimpson you are not wrong there baby.
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Keeping Britain in Europe....... was his best chance.
Even worse he de facto left an integral part of the UK of GB&NI in the EU and deliberately excluded the rest. It's about the most incendiary course of action imaginable short of unilaterally withdrawing from the Northern Ireland protocol which I expect they'll do next week when something comes up.
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Quite detailed even for Craig Murray
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Very detailed.
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Labour expects to come third in the Scottish parliament elections, losing dozens of seats to the SNP. There are areas of deep concern in Wales too, particular in the north where Labour is defending areas that have turned Conservative in Westminster. It has to defend a number of slim majorities against Plaid Cymru.
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Labour expects to come third in the Scottish parliament elections, losing dozens of seats to the SNP
Labour doesn't have dozens of seats to lose.
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Curtice thinks 5 or 6? Same for tories with gains to Greens and SNP but as CHDot mentioned, to no effect as the bloc has voted and the majority is in
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Labour doesn't have dozens of seats to lose.
Precisely true!
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“but as CHDot mentioned“
You were the one who introduced the “bloc”.
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One could argue that Ken Macintosh should be counted too, I suppose.
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Ah, didn’t check if that included him as (presumably?) elected with a party label.
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I predict
SLab won’t lose 23 seats.
Perhaps only because of PR!
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I meant CHDot mentioned increase in Green seats wont help them as wont be in coalition.
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Ah yes, that’s what I was saying - if SNP get majority no need to rely on/pay attention to GP.
However as both parties are pro-Indy and SNP needs more ‘green’ credentials, SNP would benefit from cooperating.
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Labour doesn't have dozens of seats to lose.
The Guardian considers that all seats in the Scottish parliament belong by rights to Labour?
The Green MSPs will be important because the SNP MSPs elected by The Bloc will not themselves be a bloc.
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The end of the Bloc comes from pressure within the Bloc rather than any alternative forces out with the Bloc.
Guardian still publishes.a very regular Corrections column Mixture of certain weaknesses in the sub-editing and a belief in itself as being a bit cleverer than it actually is.
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